So what's next in the libel trial saga?

[Alice Purjorick]

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Completely irrelevant.  If A accuses B of committing a crime, and B has not even been charged, then A is up the creek without a paddle. 

If the nature of the crime has not been determined that actually makes it worse - it means that A is accusing B on the basis of speculation.

What you say is correct, however:
I haven't read any of the books  except Summers & Swann so I am in no position to know the answer to a key element. Did Dr Amaral, in his book, make an outright accusation or did he make a postulation based on the files and his experience? The latter seems to be suggested by the judgement made by the Court of Appeal.
Not to forget that the Lady Judge was frequently at great pains to make it quite plain it was her job to compare the files with the book not the witnesses.

[Mr Gray]

What you say is correct, however:
I haven't read any of the books  except Summers & Swann so I am in no position to know the answer to a key element. Did Dr Amaral, in his book, make an outright accusation or did he make a postulation based on the files and his experience? The latter seems to be suggested by the judgement made by the Court of Appeal.
Not to forget that the Lady Judge was frequently at great pains to make it quite plain it was her job to compare the files with the book not the witnesses.

Amaral has stated things as facts...ie...maddie IS dead...the parents covered up a crime.......his book is called...The Truth

if he had simply said that this is what might have happened he would not be in so much trouble

[Alice Purjorick]

Amaral has stated things as facts...ie...maddie IS dead...the parents covered up a crime.......his book is called...The Truth

if he had simply said that this is what might have happened he would not be in so much trouble

How about giving page numbers or at least quoting from the book ?
The appeal court judges did not appear to share your view. So why do you think you are right and they are wrong?
Put yourself in the position of someone who knows nothing of the case. When confronted with the problem he has a choice: accept what the appeal court judges said or believe a gash hand internet punter when he says the judges are wrong?

[Mr Gray]

How about giving page numbers or at least quoting from the book ?
The appeal court judges did not appear to share your view. So why do you think you are right and they are wrong?
Put yourself in the position of someone who knows nothing of the case. When confronted with the problem he has a choice: accept what the appeal court judges said or believe a gash hand internet punter when he says the judges are wrong?

To paraphrase you...you can think what you like. There is a transcript of amaral on tv saying quite clearly ...maddie died in the apartment and her parents covered up...the book is available online..I'm surprised you are not aware of the facts in the case. I wonder how many more do not realise what amaral has said...no wonder they don't realise the trouble he is in

All will become clear at the judgement

[stephen25000]

To paraphrase you...you can think what you like. There is a transcript of amaral on tv saying quite clearly ...maddie died in the apartment and her parents covered up...the book is available online..I'm surprised you are not aware of the facts in the case. I wonder how many more do not realise what amaral has said...no wonder they don't realise the trouble he is in

All will become clear at the judgement

Very unlikely.

One way or another, the case will drag on, unless of course the mccanns cut their losses, and don't appeal the decision.

[xtina]

IMO.... goncalo had every reason to suspect the mccs ....and write a book ...the below link is a very interesting read .....especially the reasoning by  [the detective]  goncalo ...scroll further down for the interview


http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/maddie-case-goncalo-amaral-returns-to.html?m=1

[Alice Purjorick]

To paraphrase you...you can think what you like. There is a transcript of amaral on tv saying quite clearly ...maddie died in the apartment and her parents covered up...the book is available online..I'm surprised you are not aware of the facts in the case. I wonder how many more do not realise what amaral has said...no wonder they don't realise the trouble he is in

All will become clear at the judgement

So the answer is you cannot provide what I asked.
Now why am I not surprised?

[ferryman]

So the answer is you cannot provide what I asked.
Now why am I not surprised?

I have no intention of quoting from the book, either, but it's on-line and I'm sure you know where to find it.

Amaral spells out his belief that Madeleine died in the apartment and that her parents were probably responsible in the very last chapter.

[Mr Gray]

IMO.... goncalo had every reason to suspect the mccs ....and write a book ...the below link is a very interesting read .....especially the reasoning by  [the detective]  goncalo ...scroll further down for the interview


http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/maddie-case-goncalo-amaral-returns-to.html?m=1

Interesting quote from amaral from this link on the morais site..

HC: The parents have said that they were able to keep an eye on the apartment from the restaurant [Tapas] but that is hard to see how, particularly bearing in mind that it was night. Gonçalo Amaral, Dr. Moita Flores, said a few days ago, publicly, that it is his profound belief that Maddie likely died in this apartment, what is your conclusion?

 GA: My conviction is identical, based on the evidence. [small cut/edit at 21:09] So, exactly what happened? There are the blood vestiges, the cadaver odour that appeared precisely in the place where the blood was,

So amaral thinks that if both dogs alert this confirms the presence of blood and cadaver odour.....how can anyone take him seriously?   

[DCI]

I have no intention of quoting from the book, either, but it's on-line and I'm sure you know where to find it.

Amaral spells out his belief that Madeleine died in the apartment and that her parents were probably responsible in the very last chapter.

Was it in his book about Gerry not being Madelienes father. I remember he was hell bent trying to prove he wasn't.

[Mr Gray]

How about giving page numbers or at least quoting from the book ?
The appeal court judges did not appear to share your view. So why do you think you are right and they are wrong?
Put yourself in the position of someone who knows nothing of the case. When confronted with the problem he has a choice: accept what the appeal court judges said or believe a gash hand internet punter when he says the judges are wrong?

Gonçalo Amaral
Former Polícia Judiciária coordinator

 00.33 - My name is Gonçalo Amaral. I’ve been an investigator with the Polícia Judiciária for 27 years. I coordinated the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, on the 3rd of May 2007.

 00.48 - During the following 50 minutes, I will prove that the child was not abducted, and that she died in the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

 00.58 - Discover the whole truth about what happened that day – a death that many people want to cover up.

VC Filmes presents

Maddie The Truth of the Lie





I don't believe the appeal court judges are wrong...I believe that some of the statements that have been attributed to them are not their statemnets

[ferryman]

Was it in his book about Gerry not being Madelienes father. I remember he was hell bent trying to prove he wasn't.

That doesn't feature in the book.

But there is something in the files that I reckon can link back directly to Amaral about that ...

Letter to the National Forensics Institute (INML) from Goncalo Amaral


17th August 2007

The present inquiry is in relation to the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May from P da L.

The English authorities in possession of elements collected from the family home in Leicestershire, which are being examined in an unidentified laboratory, traced the girl's DNA profile, in annex to this document.

As it is necessary to the investigation we request the following:

1. Whether in the tests done by the INML Madeleine's profile was established?

2. In the case of a positive answer to point 1, that it should be determined whether the girl is the daughter of the parents identified ? Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Healy.

3. Information about whether the profile obtained by the INML corresponds to the profile traced in the English laboratory, on the request of the British authorities.

4. If there are differences between the English and Portuguese profiles that a report should be drawn up for this inquiry.

5. In the follow-up of point 4, we request to be informed whether in the English profile the girl is the daughter of the McCann couple.

6. Other information that might be of use to the investigation.

Signed G. Amaral
09-Processos Vol IX Page 2419

The reply:

Vol IX Page 2419

Reply from the Forensics Institute (INML) to Goncalo Amaral

22-08-2007

Reply to Queries

- We inform you that none of the samples received by this institute were designated as supposedly belonging to the missing girl and we therefore, cannot reply to this query.


- Samples were studied - hair and a piece of cloth - nuclear DNA profiles only being obtained from 4 samples, which upon comparison with the DNA profiles of Kate and Gerry, could not belong to the girl.

- The samples were then studied using mitochondrial DNA analysis, the same was done for the other samples, giving the results in accordance with our report of 9th July No. 2007/000226 LX-BC.

- As requested in point 5, it was determined that the profile obtained by the British lab could belong to a son/daughter of the McCanns.

- The comparison of the profiles obtained in autossomic STR from Kate and Gerry McCann with the profile obtained was carried out.
Signed

[stephen25000]

Interesting quote from amaral from this link on the morais site..

HC: The parents have said that they were able to keep an eye on the apartment from the restaurant [Tapas] but that is hard to see how, particularly bearing in mind that it was night. Gonçalo Amaral, Dr. Moita Flores, said a few days ago, publicly, that it is his profound belief that Maddie likely died in this apartment, what is your conclusion?

 GA: My conviction is identical, based on the evidence. [small cut/edit at 21:09] So, exactly what happened? There are the blood vestiges, the cadaver odour that appeared precisely in the place where the blood was,

So amaral thinks that if both dogs alert this confirms the presence of blood and cadaver odour.....how can anyone take him seriously?

You clearly do.

and you do know people are well aware he misconstrued the forensic evidence,

which was of course inconclusive.

[Jean-Pierre]

You clearly do.

and you do know people are well aware he misconstrued the forensic evidence,

which was of course inconclusive.

You keep wheeling out the term "inconclusive" as some sort of trump card.

Do you know what it means? 

[stephen25000]

You keep wheeling out the term "inconclusive" as some sort of trump card.

Do you know what it means?

Maybe yes, maybe no. *&*%£