Author Topic: So what's next in the libel trial saga?  (Read 313891 times)

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Offline Montclair

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1260 on: January 15, 2015, 09:23:06 AM »
it will be worth it

You seem so sure of the outcome. Bet you didn't see the book ban being overturned.

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1261 on: January 15, 2015, 09:30:26 AM »
A woman at the trial admitted literally, not ironically, that Amaral's book is largely made up.

Those of us who have read it, and also compared it with the files, concur ...

Offline jassi

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1262 on: January 15, 2015, 09:46:04 AM »
It all dependents upon what the judge thinks and says , not anyone else.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline faithlilly

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1263 on: January 15, 2015, 10:31:47 AM »
A woman at the trial admitted literally, not ironically, that Amaral's book is largely made up.

Those of us who have read it, and also compared it with the files, concur ...

The devil is in the detail ferryman. Read the context of the comment.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1264 on: January 15, 2015, 11:29:03 AM »
The devil is in the detail ferryman. Read the context of the comment.

context is everything....practically every statement by the mccannns  is taken out of context

Offline Anna

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1265 on: January 15, 2015, 01:20:24 PM »
context is everything....practically every statement by the mccannns  is taken out of context

And the facial expressions. And their body language. God help them if judge is looking at them too, Eh!  @)(++(*
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1266 on: January 18, 2015, 08:58:47 AM »
From the ruling overturning the injunction on Amaral's book:

- this hearing is NOTHING to do with defamation or libel - which is the Principal Action to be heard at some date in the future. It limited itself to deciding which of two sets of fundamental rights in Portuguese Law should hold sway in the specific circumstance presented, which circumstance was that each rendition of the proposition of a dead child and the hiding of her body impeded the search for a live child, and this impediment caused additional suffering to the parents who are behind the conduct of that search.
 
The request was made solely to stop further renditions of that proposition in its various forms.

- the actions requested by the plaintiffs were not granted in the manner they wanted; they were all modified in execution.

The requested actions are shown as a) through f) on page 7, while the DECISION is shown, in the same order and lettering, on pages 15 a


There we have it: from the horse's mouth (the ruling overturning the injunction on the book), confirmation both that that hearing did not consider the question of libel, and that present proceedings is, indeed, a libel trial.

Further:

I would suggest, however, that any argument, opinion or comment as to the possible death of the missing child, or to the hiding of the body under such a circumstance, does not use either the book or the video as a foundation; rather, it should look to the content of the official case file.I reiterate that, in my understanding of it, this is not a judgement on defamation or libel, and my understanding of this is reinforced by the penultimate line 
« Last Edit: January 18, 2015, 09:09:02 AM by ferryman »

stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1267 on: January 18, 2015, 09:12:43 AM »
Whose translation is this ?

Second, what will you do when the mccnns fail in their action against the three defendants ?

« Last Edit: January 18, 2015, 11:48:37 AM by Eleanor »

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1268 on: January 18, 2015, 09:24:09 AM »
Whose translation is this ?

Second, what will you do when the mccnns fail in their action against the three defendants ?




The translation is from Pamalam's site:

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/court_docs.htm
« Last Edit: January 18, 2015, 11:49:08 AM by Eleanor »

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1269 on: January 18, 2015, 09:51:40 AM »
Weaving her way deftly through many different considerations with we, the readers, 
being gripped firmly by the ring in our nose and led through two pages of cogitation to 
the rather abrupt conclusion on page 36 that the principal action [the forthcoming 
defamation/libel action which gave rise to these injunction hearings] is the appropriate 
place to get to the bottom of all the matters she raised.

stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1270 on: January 18, 2015, 09:59:59 AM »
Weaving her way deftly through many different considerations with we, the readers,
being gripped firmly by the ring in our nose and led through two pages of cogitation to
the rather abrupt conclusion on page 36 that the principal action [the forthcoming
defamation/libel action which gave rise to these injunction hearings] is the appropriate
place to get to the bottom of all the matters she raised.


and when the mccanns lose this action, what next ?

Offline jassi

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1271 on: January 18, 2015, 10:08:45 AM »
Best not to count chickens - the law can be very unpredictable in its application.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1272 on: January 18, 2015, 10:12:11 AM »
Best not to count chickens - the law can be very unpredictable in its application.

That's not quite the point of (immediate) discussion.

Is the depiction, in certain quarters, of the libel trial as something other than a libel trial mere ignorance?

Or is it an attempt to mislead?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1273 on: January 18, 2015, 10:18:39 AM »
That's not quite the point of (immediate) discussion.

Is the depiction, in certain quarters, of the libel trial as something other than a libel trial mere ignorance?

Or is it an attempt to mislead?

Excellent find Ferryman...This CONFIRMS what the more enlightened amongst us have been saying for some time.
Libel/defamation have not yet been decided...the overturn of the injunction DID not decide the libel question....that will be revealed shortly as a result of the present court proceedings

Offline slartibartfast

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1274 on: January 18, 2015, 11:19:12 AM »

There we have it: from the horse's mouth (the ruling overturning the injunction on the book), confirmation both that that hearing did not consider the question of libel, and that present proceedings is, indeed, a libel trial.



Yet another non sequitur, it says a future trial but doesn't say this future trial.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.