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Offline colombosstogey

McCanns left Madeleine because they were copying the 'listening service' which Mark Warner advertised in their booklet and was performing as a service on regular basis in many of their resorts.

1000s of parents left their children sleeping alone in their rooms in Mark Warner resorts all over the world and Mark Warner staff would go round ( same as the Tapas group did) and would 'listen' to these left alone children.

When McCanns arrived in Portugal they were told Ocean Club has no listening service but they weren't told there were many burglaries in the surrounding apartments.

If they were told to be careful and that the apartments are being broken into the McCanns would never leave their children alone.. they simply thought this was safe thing to to.. as it was being done in other Mark Warner resorts.

I read at the beginning that people were warned that there had been burglaries.

Anyway, anyone with a half a brain of a gnat would never leave children alone unattended in an APARTMENT on the edge of  complex by a busy road.

AND GROUND FLOOR TOO.

Jeez.

I would have as a matter of course locked up my valuables and taken my children with me to dinner.

I lived abroad, and holidayed abroad, it IS COMMON for holiday complexes to be targeted for theft, and its usually the people on holiday stealing not the locals.

When we were in Corfu, 2 of the young men on one of those groups got caught robbing stuff out of rooms instead of going off on a trip.

Offline Eleanor


Ah, that'll be it then.  It was holiday makers doing the burglaries and sexual assaults.  They probably kept the keys from their last holiday.

But this does not excuse Warner Holidays or The Ocean Club.  Why were there not at least CCTV Cameras?

Oh, I know.  The Locals and The Expats wouldn't have liked that.

That resort seems to have been run entirely for the benefit of the regular inhabitants.

Offline jassi

Were all the Warner holidaymakers accommodated in the same apartment block, or were they spread over a wider area?
I seem to recall that they didn't own  some of the properties. Did they have any within the boundary of their facilities?
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

I think The complex did have safeguards and their customers health and safety would have sufficient, other wise why would Doctors take risks with their children.

And this is something to think about: everyone in the NHS, especially DOCTORS, must risk assess, their staff training needs, equipment, their  working environment and patients risks before treatments.

Those parents chose to leave the children alone at night-even when Little Maddie mentioned (allegedly) that she and her brother had woke up and no one was there.

I honestly-when I read that had tears in my eyes. Their daughter was afraid, not only for her self but for her little brother- this is a 3 year old!- if she did wander outside she couldn't ask for help as she didn't speak the language or wasn't familiar with her surroundings.  Think back to when you were her age... Monsters in the wardrope-

...but still they left the children alone. And father Gerry gave a curious mention about 'feeling' someone was in the room. Did he walk in and challenge-go get help- no he walked out and left them with out so much as a second glance.

I do not believe Warner company played any part in that scenario, and couldn't be held responsible for little Maddie's disappearance.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Eleanor

I think The complex did have safeguards and their customers health and safety would have sufficient, other wise why would Doctors take risks with their children.

And this is something to think about: everyone in the NHS, especially DOCTORS, must risk assess, their staff training needs, equipment, their  working environment and patients risks before treatments.

Those parents chose to leave the children alone at night-even when Little Maddie mentioned (allegedly) that she and her brother had woke up and no one was there.

I honestly-when I read that had tears in my eyes. Their daughter was afraid, not only for her self but for her little brother- this is a 3 year old!- if she did wander outside she couldn't ask for help as she didn't speak the language or wasn't familiar with her surroundings.  Think back to when you were her age... Monsters in the wardrope-

...but still they left the children alone. And father Gerry gave a curious mention about 'feeling' someone was in the room. Did he walk in and challenge-go get help- no he walked out and left them with out so much as a second glance.

I do not believe Warner company played any part in that scenario, and couldn't be held responsible for little Maddie's disappearance.

There is no point in attempting to answer this post as it is just forum myths and twisted gossip.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Forum myths?

I don't do myths.

You have no reply because it hurts to think about it- you don't want it to be true. I don't know if Maddie did say that to her mother, but her Mother certainly claimed she did!




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stephen25000

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There is no point in attempting to answer this post as it is just forum myths and twisted gossip.

The bottom line still remains.

The mccanns were stupid an/or arrogant.

They were in a foreign country, with a language and customs they had a vague knowledge of, at best, and they chose to leave their children repeatedly in what they claimed were unlocked accommodation.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2014, 03:29:23 PM by stephen25000 »

Offline colombosstogey

I think The complex did have safeguards and their customers health and safety would have sufficient, other wise why would Doctors take risks with their children.

And this is something to think about: everyone in the NHS, especially DOCTORS, must risk assess, their staff training needs, equipment, their  working environment and patients risks before treatments.

Those parents chose to leave the children alone at night-even when Little Maddie mentioned (allegedly) that she and her brother had woke up and no one was there.

I honestly-when I read that had tears in my eyes. Their daughter was afraid, not only for her self but for her little brother- this is a 3 year old!- if she did wander outside she couldn't ask for help as she didn't speak the language or wasn't familiar with her surroundings.  Think back to when you were her age... Monsters in the wardrope-

...but still they left the children alone. And father Gerry gave a curious mention about 'feeling' someone was in the room. Did he walk in and challenge-go get help- no he walked out and left them with out so much as a second glance.

I do not believe Warner company played any part in that scenario, and couldn't be held responsible for little Maddie's disappearance.

BRILIANT post.

The apartment was privately owned with the use of the Warner Complex.

I cannot in all my life believe ANYONE would leave 3 children alone in an APARTMENT close to roads and swimming pool and STEEP steps.

No i dont think Warner Complex did anything wrong.

The family chose to leave their children. The Warner Complex in PDL did NOT ADVOCATE a listening service, surely the mere fact they CHOSE not to allow a listening service but offer A NIGHT CRECHE instead would give the holidaymakers a hint that the area was NOT SUITABLE for a listening service.

What gets my gall is the night creche was right there close by.

IF the families wanted to enjoy themselves without kids thats fine nothing wrong with that, but they could have either taken it in turns and had a meal sent in and sat outside on the balcony and slept the kids in one room for a few hours, or got 1 babysitter to have the children in one apartment or take the children to the creche, or take them for dinner.

I cannot understand why they bothered taking the children as it was creche nearly all day, and in the evening parents time.

Why not leave the kids at home with family and just have a week without them for a rest, I can understand that, doctors do work hard and need a break.

The evening schedule if followed every night like the 3rd was more likely to give anyone an ulcer lol and what was the point.

ALTHOUGH I dont think prior to the 3rd they did much checking to be honest even the waiters apparently said that in statements.

Offline Mr Gray

I think The complex did have safeguards and their customers health and safety would have sufficient, other wise why would Doctors take risks with their children.

And this is something to think about: everyone in the NHS, especially DOCTORS, must risk assess, their staff training needs, equipment, their  working environment and patients risks before treatments.

Those parents chose to leave the children alone at night-even when Little Maddie mentioned (allegedly) that she and her brother had woke up and no one was there.

I honestly-when I read that had tears in my eyes. Their daughter was afraid, not only for her self but for her little brother- this is a 3 year old!- if she did wander outside she couldn't ask for help as she didn't speak the language or wasn't familiar with her surroundings.  Think back to when you were her age... Monsters in the wardrope-

...but still they left the children alone. And father Gerry gave a curious mention about 'feeling' someone was in the room. Did he walk in and challenge-go get help- no he walked out and left them with out so much as a second glance.

I do not believe Warner company played any part in that scenario, and couldn't be held responsible for little Maddie's disappearance.

the mccanns would have done a risk assessment...even unconsciously. I remember reading early on they felt that PDL was one of those seaside resorts from the fifties ...quiet and safe... I think its a disgrace the burglaries were supressed...I think maddie would be here today if MW had told the truth..they have a lot to answer for

Martina

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the mccanns would have done a risk assessment...even unconsciously. I remember reading early on they felt that PDL was one of those seaside resorts from the fifties ...quiet and safe... I think its a disgrace the burglaries were supressed...I think maddie would be here today if MW had told the truth..they have a lot to answer for

Pleaaassssse... Even their own daughter informing them that she and her brother cried all alone the previous night did not change their habit of leaving the kids alone. And any sane person with two working brain cells knows that in the touristic resort a burglary is ALWAYS a risk. Don't tell me the McCanns did not know that.

stephen25000

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the mccanns would have done a risk assessment...even unconsciously. I remember reading early on they felt that PDL was one of those seaside resorts from the fifties ...quiet and safe... I think its a disgrace the burglaries were supressed...I think maddie would be here today if MW had told the truth..they have a lot to answer for

Since when would it be logical or commonsense to leave children unattended in a foreign country in unlocked accommodation ?

Offline Mr Gray

Im sure you all agree taht the risk of stranger abduction was infinitesimally small

Offline jassi

Im sure you all agree taht the risk of stranger abduction was infinitesimally small

Indeed so small, it almost certainly never happened.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Indeed so small, it almost certainly never happened.

it did

Martina

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Im sure you all agree taht the risk of stranger abduction was infinitesimally small

was the risk of the child wandering away, or having a nasty incident infinitesimally small too?