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Offline DCI

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This was first mooted with regard to Chaplin's.  We now know that The McCanns never went to Chaplin's.

Apart from that, The Ocean Club had no reason for approaching The McCanns with such an offer.

But please don't think I am blaming you.  It is probably worth discussing, even if only for a translation.

Seems it first came from 3a's

http://3as.madeleinemccann.org/viewtopic.php?p=380736&sid=e5b8a8fe312cc3b93efe538c48712b26


Baptista left work at 6pm, so what time on that night did she offer the babysitting service?

On the 03/05/2007 she started working by 09H30, having entered the Ocean
Club through the area of the Club, having walked through the swimming pool area and later having checked the other swimming pools.
At about 13:00 she went to Lagos, with her husband, Mr. Joao Carlos Silva Batista and came back at about 14H30 .

At about 18H00 she left the resort and only came back when the circumstances outlined above occurred.
During the day 03/05/2007 she did not detect anything unusual or different.




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Offline Anna

This was first mooted with regard to Chaplin's.  We now know that The McCanns never went to Chaplin's.

Apart from that, The Ocean Club had no reason for approaching The McCanns with such an offer.

But please don't think I am blaming you.  It is probably worth discussing, even if only for a translation.


Sorry Eleanor, I forgot the translation of that page

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Wednesday, August 15, 2007
Again suspicions are geared to parents of Madeleine



When the Portuguese Police said the parents of little Madeleine McCann were above suspicion, now the declaration of a new protagonist in the desperate search for British girl four years desparecida 100 days further complicates the situation McCann.

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The Director of Technical Services Ocean Club resort, Silvia Batista, said the night Madeleine disappeared, she personally offered the child care service "because the hotel is responsible for the children of clients, but they rejected ".
Madeleine was last seen on May 3 when he slept with her siblings in a rented room of a hotel in Praia da Luz, southern Portugal.

Parents of small they are questioned for being left alone in that room for children to eat with friends.

According to the director of housing, "every month there are records of theft in the place, so that the service of a nanny is advised" but even knowing this, Maddie's parents did not accept it.

Batista said in a portal Globo.com given to the hotel is working from the beginning with the police to find the little interview. The director added that the room used by the McCann family was closed the first two months, then was opened for 15 days, but returned to be closed again.

The director also said that the resort site there "very curious, but do not alter the routine of the place."

"We had no guilt in the disappearance of the small, could not say who was at fault, but ours did not," said the director, noting that "the parents of the girl that night were very careless," why would not have asked for babysitting.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Eleanor


I am bowing out now, because I might get personal.

Offline Anna

Seems it first came from 3a's

http://3as.madeleinemccann.org/viewtopic.php?p=380736&sid=e5b8a8fe312cc3b93efe538c48712b26


Baptista left work at 6pm, so what time on that night did she offer the babysitting service?

On the 03/05/2007 she started working by 09H30, having entered the Ocean
Club through the area of the Club, having walked through the swimming pool area and later having checked the other swimming pools.
At about 13:00 she went to Lagos, with her husband, Mr. Joao Carlos Silva Batista and came back at about 14H30 .

At about 18H00 she left the resort and only came back when the circumstances outlined above occurred.
During the day 03/05/2007 she did not detect anything unusual or different.


Thanks DCI
Your post proves that the whole story was a lie by either the newspaper or SB ?
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Brietta

According to the director of housing, "every month there are records of theft in the place, so that the service of a nanny is advised" but even knowing this, Maddie's parents did not accept it.
http://www.terra.com.pe/noticias/articulo/html/act934149.htm

If this was true it would have been in the major press headlines here and PT and in her statement to the police.
I was under the impression that very few people new of these frequent thefts including many of the OC staff, so how would the McCanns and friends know. It should have been on a warning printouts in the apartment and their public buildings. I think it should also have been included in the paperwork given to holidaymakers when they arrived…………..Was it?

Even now many people are in denial about burglaries and home invasions where children were targetted and nothing stolen.  The Eamonn Holmes interview with Paul Luckman immediately springs to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcIwprGp7Ew

I think Ms Batista did a lot of talking as recorded in the files - I don't recall mention of her recommendation as stated here - but she is the first to suggest that the request for a priest was suspicious as that was only done in the event of a death in Portugal.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Benice

Even now many people are in denial about burglaries and home invasions where children were targetted and nothing stolen.  The Eamonn Holmes interview with Paul Luckman immediately springs to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcIwprGp7Ew

I think Ms Batista did a lot of talking as recorded in the files - I don't recall mention of her recommendation as stated here - but she is the first to suggest that the request for a priest was suspicious as that was only done in the event of a death in Portugal.

That is just one example of how the differing cultures as well as the language barrier worked against the McCanns.

She is also the lady who claimed to have seen Robert Murat on the night of the 3rd, and was supposed to be attending the 'confrontation' meeting with Fiona Payne & co. -  but failed to turn up on the day.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Anna

Even now many people are in denial about burglaries and home invasions where children were targetted and nothing stolen.  The Eamonn Holmes interview with Paul Luckman immediately springs to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcIwprGp7Ew

I think Ms Batista did a lot of talking as recorded in the files - I don't recall mention of her recommendation as stated here - but she is the first to suggest that the request for a priest was suspicious as that was only done in the event of a death in Portugal.

Was he cagey or what? Seems the blame lies with the holidaymakers in his conclusion, but surely a guest would report to the OC and then it would be up to them,to take it further  since they had no means of security?
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

That is just one example of how the differing cultures as well as the language barrier worked against the McCanns.

She is also the lady who claimed to have seen Robert Murat on the night of the 3rd, and was supposed to be attending the 'confrontation' meeting with Fiona Payne & co. -  but failed to turn up on the day.

A very loyal lady, I think she would defend the OC no matter what, same goes for some of the  other staff.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline John

I wonder could Mrs Fenn's report of constant crying in apartment 5a on the Tuesday night (Wednesday too according to Madeleine) have influenced Silvia Batista to make an approach on the Thursday?

Article
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 05:54:46 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Anna

I wonder could Mrs Fenn's report of constant crying in apartment 5a on the Tuesday night (Wednesday too according to Madeleine) have influenced Silvia Batista to make an approach on the Thursday?

Article
If that was the case, why is it not in her statement?
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline John

If that was the case, why is it not in her statement?

There will be much that is not mentioned in her statement.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 08:31:41 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Brietta

There will be much that is not mentioned in her statement.

She didn't make one statement; she made three.

As far as I can see missed nothing out, from questioning the call for a priest - the praying Arab scenario – descriptions of the mother and father just sitting on the bed, not searching – questioning Jane Tanner’s sighting – the insistence that Madeleine had been abducted etc. etc. ... IMO if she had made such a statement on the basis of a report of a child crying we would have heard all about it in graphic detail because she had an opinion on everything else and wasn’t slow to share.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

There will be much that is not mentioned in her statement.
But surely if there had been a complaint of crying or she had spoken to the parents regarding babysitters, it would have been on one of her 3 statements. There is no mention of it on what she done on that day before she went off duty at I think 6.00 pm.
She had plenty to say on 26th regarding Murats family and the request by Kate for a Priest etc, so why leave out something so important to her new job which she had only commenced that year. I think it was a press nonsense, but I will check other news to see if it has picked it up.

Silvia Maria Correia Ramos Batista

Date/Time: 2007/05/07 11H20
Maintenance Services Director
Portuguese

Concerning the issue of the process said:
. That she works at the Ocean Club since 03/03/1996, having exercised this time in the function of receptionist—for around one year and a half, Reception Manager—for around three years and since this year to the present date, Director of Maintenance Services;
. That the function of Director of Maintenance and Services she is responsible , in the area of services the hiring of people, and in the area of maintenance is responsible for the admission of employees and for the good functioning of all the machinery that composes the Ocean Club, principally, in the apartments, pools, gardens, fending, etc;
. As concerns the admission of employees, this is done in the traditional way, or is, when the need for an employee is determined in an area, the situation is commented on between the various people responsible and the rest of employees;
. Generally, it is an existing employee or other who indicates that they know of someone, in the majority of cases, resident in Lagos;
. In whatever the case, there is always a labour contract made with the employee, for a minimum of six months, and a file exists of said employee which contains identification details of said person and information regarding previous professional practices;
. An exception is made when a business in contracted to carry out a service and whose business is responsible for the employees, those being in the meanwhile accompanied by that who is responsible for works and maintenance, Mister Joao Carlos Silva Batista;
. She is aware of that which occurred in the Ocean Club resort and is aware of the disappearance of the child, around 22H30 on the 03 of May, 2007, following a telephone call from her Administrator George Robin Crossland;
. She immediately went to the Ocean Club resort, and already there were the GNR, and a search was immediately carried out throughout the resort with e search being carried out by many residents and employees of the Ocean Club;
. That on the date 03/05/07, her workday began at 09H30, having entered in the Ocean Club, through the Club Zone, having walked around the pool area and prior to that the other pools;
. At around 13H00, she went to lunch in Lagos, together with her husband, Mister Joao Carlos Silva Batista, and returned around 14H30;
. That around 18H00 she left the Ocean Club resort, having returned to the same, as a result of the circumstances already described, at around 23H00;
. That during the day 03/05/07 she did not detect nothing abnormal or different on this day;
. That she also was not told of any abnormal situation which happened;
. That after the happenings and in conversation with the rest of the employees and Ocean Club management, nothing was related to her or commented upon regarding the situation that was abnormal, namely the presence of strange people in the resort;
. That the Ocean Club resort does not have a CCTV system, nor policing of the resort district;
. And nothing further was said. Having read the statement, she finds it in conformity and signs it;
. The document is duly signed by me, Helder Carmo, an Inspector with this Polícia Judiciária.




2007 - 07 - 26

“Concerning the matter of the process, the witness said:

That she has given statements for several times within the process, and remembers the contents of what she stated before, therefore reproducing the contents of the previous statements into this statement.

The deponent offers another statement because with the passage of time, since Madeleine’s disappearance, she has remembered some details of the facts that she witnessed, which she considers of some interest to the investigation.

Like she said before, she was alerted to Madeleine’s disappearance between 10.30 and 11 p.m. She was at home and was informed about the event through a telephone call. She immediately went to the Ocean Club, where she arrived only minutes before the GNR officers. When she arrived at the resort, she went immediately to apartment 5A, where she met several persons both on the inside and on the outside of the apartment. She went into the apartment but left it right away without speaking to anyone, because she was informed that the GNR officers were at the main reception, so she went to meet them.

When she arrived near the GNR officers, she verified that Gerry, Madeleine’s father, was behind her, in the company of another individual whose identity she doesn’t remember. At that moment, Gerry placed both knees on the floor, hit the floor with both hands, too, placing himself like a praying arab, and shouted out twice in rage, and it was not possible to understand what he said. Then Gerry got back on his feet and accompanied the deponent and the other individual who was in the GNR car, to apartment 5A.

Already on location, the deponent entered the apartment and asked those who were present both for the passports of all family members and photographs of the missing person. The deponent walked Gerry to the GNR car, so he could deliver the requested documents. She states that she carried out these diligences, and other diligences, at the request of the GNR Commander as they used the deponent’s knowledge of the English language to translate the questions that were asked from the missing person’s family members, and the answers that were given. She remembers that Gerry gave the GNR Commander several photographs of the missing person. These were postcard-type photographs, taking their size and shape into account. They were actually photographs of the size and shape of a postcard, and they seemed to be all similar to her.

She also realised that from the very first moment on, both Gerry and the rest of the group members insisted in stating that Madeleine had been abducted, all of them using the word “abducted” instead of missing, and they all showed great interest in informing the press about the situation.The deponent further recalls that she entered the room where Madeleine had been sleeping. She now remembers that the door was closed. The inside of the room was dark. The shutters were down, and light entered only through its holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who accompanied the deponent during this visit, with the GNR officers also present, said that it had been him who had closed the window because the babies were still sleeping inside, which the deponent could verify as true. Gerry mentioned that when he noticed that Madeleine was missing, he had found the window and shutters open, and the curtains fluttering.

The deponent recalls that the cots that were used by the babies were placed in the middle of the room and aligned, and therefore she found it strange that someone could have taken Madeleine from the bed where she was sleeping up to the window, because there was no space to get through. The deponent opened the bedroom’s wardrobe to check if eventually Madeleine was hiding inside. Then they all left the room, and someone closed its door again. The deponent remained in the living room for a while, with the GNR officers, busy lookGerry and the other group members that were there in a frenzy, going in and out and speaking on their mobile phones. She noticed that none of the group members, including the child’s mother and father, were press about the event.ing for her. The mother was sitting on the master bedroom’s bed, the father accompanied the deponent and the GNR officers and the other group members walked in and out and spoke on the phone, soft toys and a blanket from the cots, and also took them to the first floor. The babies’ cots were left onapparently concerned about informing the She thought that the child’s mother was downbeat with the situation, the father showed his concern and also asked both for the press to request, the deponent removed the ly with the mattresses.be alerted and for dogs to be brought in for the search. Concerning the others, she can only recall that Fiona and her husband, Payne, were hysterical about the situation. At a given moment, right after the PJ’s elements arrived, the child’s parents removed the twins from the cots where they still slept, and took them into the apartment on the first floor. At Kate’s

The deponent also wishes to mention that at around 3 a.m. Madeleine’s parents asked for the presence of a priest on location. They didn’t explain the reason why they wanted a priest, but the deponent found the fact strange as there were no indications that the little girl was dead, and that’s the circumstance under which usually the presence of a priest is requested.At a given moment, the deponent translated the deposition from one of the ladies that belonged to the group of English people, namely one that she indicates as being a brunette. This lady told the GNR officers, and the deponent translated, that she had seen a man crossing the road, possibly carrying a child. The deponent found that situation strange because she was convinced that when she saw this man, the lady was positioned in a spot that has no viewing angle to the location where she had seen the man. She doesn’t know exactly where the lady was positioned when she saw the man passing by, but she knows that she indicated that she saw him passing on the street that lies in front of the window to the bedroom where Madeleine was, walking into the direction of the street that leads to the Baptista supermar
ket.
When questioned about the clothes that the English group members wore that night, she mentions that she only remembers that Fiona wore a green blouse, Gerry wore a dark coloured shirt, and Fiona’s husband wore light-coloured trousers, she thinks cream-coloured.

And she stated nothing further.”


“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

She didn't make one statement; she made three.

As far as I can see missed nothing out, from questioning the call for a priest - the praying Arab scenario – descriptions of the mother and father just sitting on the bed, not searching – questioning Jane Tanner’s sighting – the insistence that Madeleine had been abducted etc. etc. ... IMO if she had made such a statement on the basis of a report of a child crying we would have heard all about it in graphic detail because she had an opinion on everything else and wasn’t slow to share.
..........nope nothing that I can find in PT news as yet. I believe that article was spanish
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 08:27:43 PM by Anna »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline John

I was referring to Mrs Fenn's statement and not Silvia Batista.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2014, 03:41:21 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.