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Offline Anna

I was referring to Mrs Fenn's statement and not Silvia Batista.


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I wonder could Mrs Fenn's report of constant crying in apartment 5a on the Tuesday night (Wednesday too according to Madeleine) have influenced Silvia Batista to make an approach on the Thursday?
Article and the article relates to s batista and her advice on thurs to mccanns
Mrs Fenn didn’t make a formal statement until 20th aug
And as I said if SB had spoken to the Mccanns about a babysitter, I rather think it would have been in one of her statements and not Mrs Fenns

Here is Mrs fenns anyway



Processos VOLUME IX pages 2412 to 2145
Witness Statement of Pamela Isobel Fenn 2007.08.20

Included in the files as a witness statement.

Being of British nationality and in spite of living in Portugal, does not have knowledge of the Portuguese language in its oral and written form, therefore a police interpreter is present, UEVE VAN LOOCK. Thus, according to the facts noted in the files, she says that she has lived in the apartment since 2003, which is located on the upper floor, immediately above the room from which the child disappeared.

She also refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted “Daddy, Daddy”, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

When questioned, she said that she did not know the cause of the crying, perhaps a nightmare or another destabilising factor.
As soon as the parents entered the child stopped crying.
That night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not surprised at the child’s crying.
She did not have anything to report for the 2nd May, because she was only home at night.
On the 3rd May she received a visit from her niece Carole during the morning, who said that when she was on her terrace she saw a male individual looking into the McCann’s apartment, a situation which has been told to the police, her cousin even made a photo fit.
During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out “we have let her down” which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30.
She said that after the mother’s shouts, she had seen many people in the streets looking for the girl. She also refers to an episode when Gerry was speaking to a policeman and he refused to recognised the police force, saying that more agents of authority were needed to carry out the search.
When asked, she replied that on 3rd May she did not hear any noise from the McCann apartment, not even the opening of doors. She also said that before hearing the shouts she was watching television, as she often stays up late.

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence.
She said that until that night she had never spoken to the McCanns, because up until the 3rd May, she only sometimes saw them walking in the street. She never saw them with any vehicle.
She also said that she never told the McCanns that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering.

When questioned she said that she never saw any strange person or action before or after the event. She claims however, that a week previously she was the victim of an attempted robbery, which was not successful and neither was anything taken, thinking that the crying of the child could be linked to another attempted robbery in the residence.

Having read and approved the statement, she signs, together with the interpreter.





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Mrs Fenn by all accounts was terribly upset by the prolonged crying, so bad that she went out to her friends on the Wednesday evening to get away from it.  It is not unreasonable to expect that she complained to Mrs Batista about it in the hope that she would have a word with the child's parents.

Apparently she did and on the same day Madeleine disappeared.  That must have gone down like a ton of bricks.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Mrs Fenn by all accounts was terribly upset by the prolonged crying, so bad that she went out to her friends on the Wednesday evening to get away from it.  It is not unreasonable to expect that she complained to Mrs Batista about it in the hope that she would have a word with the child's parents.

Apparently she did and on the same day Madeleine disappeared.  That must have gone down like a ton of bricks.

Oh John, you do make me laugh. Where do you get your info from?

Mrs Fenn was only out in the day on the Wednesday.

She did not have anything to report for the 2nd May, because she was only home at night.

When do you think Mrs Fenn had time on the Thursday to complain to Baptista. Her niece was there that day and took her out for lunch, getting back at 3.30 pm, and staying till 6.30. Baptista wasn't at work at that time.



What I don't understand is if she was so concerned on the Tuesday night, why didn't she phone the Tapas bar?
She rang her friend Edna and also according to what Murat told GNR Officer she rang him.

I don't believe for one minute someone of her age would sit and listen and time how long
a child was crying, without doing something about it.
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... Mrs Fenn was only out in the day on the Wednesday...
Agreed, on Wed 2nd she was out during the daytime, and at home during the evening and night.


...also according to what Murat told GNR Officer she rang him...
Anyone got a files reference for this please?

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Agreed, on Wed 2nd she was out during the daytime, and at home during the evening and night.

Anyone got a files reference for this please?

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05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1344
 
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 Witness Statement


Date: 2007/05/16


Paolo Jorge Carvaihosa da Costa


Occupation: GNR Officer


He has been a GNR officer since 1996. He is a soldier and works at the Lagos GNR post.

On 3rd May when he was at home, he was contacted by the GNR post commander who asked him to go to P da L.

He arrived at the OC at 00.05 on 4th May having contacted his colleague Nelson Costa who informed him about the situation.

After having been informed ha began to search the perimeter of the tourist complex. First he revised the perimeter alone and was later accompanied by Officer Pimentel. During his time on the scene he did not talk to anyone.

Neither did he enter the apartment from which Madeleine had disappeared. There many people at the scene but nobody particularly drew his attention.

When asked he said that he never saw Robert Murat in all the times he visited the scene.

He does remember however, that on a day he cannot recall, an individual who identified himself as Robert, saying that he was in P da L as a translator helping the PJ, phoned the Lagos post saying:

That some foreign women, who had already been interviewed by the police, had phoned him, telling him that there was a child crying in an apartment near to them.

No more is said. Reads, ratifies, signs.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAOLO_COSTA.htm
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Thanks DCI

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Bumped.

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05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1344
 
05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1344
 Witness Statement


Date: 2007/05/16


Paolo Jorge Carvaihosa da Costa


Occupation: GNR Officer


He has been a GNR officer since 1996. He is a soldier and works at the Lagos GNR post.

On 3rd May when he was at home, he was contacted by the GNR post commander who asked him to go to P da L.

He arrived at the OC at 00.05 on 4th May having contacted his colleague Nelson Costa who informed him about the situation.

After having been informed ha began to search the perimeter of the tourist complex. First he revised the perimeter alone and was later accompanied by Officer Pimentel. During his time on the scene he did not talk to anyone.

Neither did he enter the apartment from which Madeleine had disappeared. There many people at the scene but nobody particularly drew his attention.

When asked he said that he never saw Robert Murat in all the times he visited the scene.

He does remember however, that on a day he cannot recall, an individual who identified himself as Robert, saying that he was in P da L as a translator helping the PJ, phoned the Lagos post saying:

That some foreign women, who had already been interviewed by the police, had phoned him, telling him that there was a child crying in an apartment near to them.

No more is said. Reads, ratifies, signs.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAOLO_COSTA.htm
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Here Pegasus


05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1344
 
05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1344
 Witness Statement


Date: 2007/05/16


Paolo Jorge Carvaihosa da Costa


Occupation: GNR Officer


He has been a GNR officer since 1996. He is a soldier and works at the Lagos GNR post.

On 3rd May when he was at home, he was contacted by the GNR post commander who asked him to go to P da L.

He arrived at the OC at 00.05 on 4th May having contacted his colleague Nelson Costa who informed him about the situation.

After having been informed ha began to search the perimeter of the tourist complex. First he revised the perimeter alone and was later accompanied by Officer Pimentel. During his time on the scene he did not talk to anyone.

Neither did he enter the apartment from which Madeleine had disappeared. There many people at the scene but nobody particularly drew his attention.

When asked he said that he never saw Robert Murat in all the times he visited the scene.

He does remember however, that on a day he cannot recall, an individual who identified himself as Robert, saying that he was in P da L as a translator helping the PJ, phoned the Lagos post saying:

That some foreign women, who had already been interviewed by the police, had phoned him, telling him that there was a child crying in an apartment near to them.

No more is said. Reads, ratifies, signs.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAOLO_COSTA.htm

I don't follow DCI.

In what way do you think this refers to Mrs Fenn.

Why on earth should she have phoned Robert Murat?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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I don't follow DCI.

In what way do you think this refers to Mrs Fenn.

Why on earth should she have phoned Robert Murat?

Mrs Fenn would be a foreigner to GNR. Who else has mentioned a child crying?
I believe Mrs Fenn was a friend of Jenny Murat or Murat was lying.

To be honest I don't believe Mrs Fenn's statement to be a true translation of what she actually said. She didn't speak or understand Portuguese.
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I don't follow DCI.

In what way do you think this refers to Mrs Fenn.

Why on earth should she have phoned Robert Murat?


How strange/ I think "phoned him" should be "Spoken to him" But it is plural "women" and "they

Rm was in the apartment area 4th helping police, maybe she forgot to incude it in her statement.
 There is a video that I put on here(somewhere) where Mrs fenn says that the papers were all talking rubbish too
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Offline Brietta

Mrs Fenn would be a foreigner to GNR. Who else has mentioned a child crying?
I believe Mrs Fenn was a friend of Jenny Murat or Murat was lying.

To be honest I don't believe Mrs Fenn's statement to be a true translation of what she actually said. She didn't speak or understand Portuguese.

I don't know what the original file says ... but this translation does not 'flow' ... and the section re. the foreign women reads like an addendum to me and is not imo phrased as a police officer would log information; it really says nothing
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

from 1.22
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How strange/ I think "phoned him" should be "Spoken to him" But it is plural "women" and "they

Rm was in the apartment area 4th helping police, maybe she forgot to incude it in her statement.
 There is a video that I put on here(somewhere) where Mrs fenn says that the papers were all talking rubbish too

Yes, I saw that video, when Mrs. Fenn said it was all rubbish.  But it was largely ignored.

Her Statement was just another case of a wilfully bad translation, I suspect.

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How strange/ I think "phoned him" should be "Spoken to him" But it is plural "women" and "they

Rm was in the apartment area 4th helping police, maybe she forgot to incude it in her statement.
 There is a video that I put on here(somewhere) where Mrs fenn says that the papers were all talking rubbish too

Mrs Fenn did not give her statement till 20th August, translation by Ines. How extraordinary that she was not interviewed immediately as a close neighbour ??
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

The GnR was dated 16th may when he said RB stated that the women had given stments .?
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