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Offline Andrea

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2014, 12:13:37 AM »
The visit could have been planned, and one of the childrens parents filmed it? Just playing Devils Advocate here.

Offline abs

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2014, 12:24:50 AM »
The visit could have been planned, and one of the childrens parents filmed it? Just playing Devils Advocate here.

Hi Andi. Could be, but wouldn´t a parent focus on his/her child - of course also the very important visitor, but the camera is pretty much glued on Geroge Bush the entire time, and no particular child seems to be the focus.

I could be wrong, the whole thing just comes across very odd.
Also the fact that he is told about the attack(s?) and then just sits there for quite a long time. Wouldn´t security kick in in a situation like this - get the president to a safe place, not just let him sit there listening to third-graders´reading skills looking dumbfounded?

Offline Andrea

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2014, 12:29:36 AM »
It is strange that he sat there for so long...but. I started watching these conspiracy videos years ago. I do love a good conspiracy theory.

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2014, 10:11:03 AM »
So many of the little things about 911 just sound so ridiculously set up you don't know whether to laugh or just shake your head!

In the Shanksville crash, the 'plane' was obliterated! Items that in all other instances survive anything like the 6 ton engines and indestructible voice and data recorders are supposedly atomised in this unique crash! But what did they find and produce as evidence? A Saudi passport belonging to one of the terrorists. A Saudi driving license belonging to one of the terrorists and to top it all a f--king red bandana ...... of course we will all guess straight away this was worn by one of the terrorists!

And what was found on the streets of New York in the dust of the Twin Towers?  Two passports that survived the crashes and massive fireballs and yes of course, they belonged to two of the terrorists from the planes!

Unbelievable!

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Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2014, 11:35:49 AM »
The hi-jackers were positively identified via a number of different ways.  One being CCTV at the airports.  Every aspect of their lives were scrutinised including pilot training and links to Al-Quaeda.  If not Jihadists who would be prepared to carry out such an atrocity and know they were going to die in the process? 
Justice for Sheila and Jeremy,  victims of a poorly arranged closed adoption from the so-called baby-scoop era.

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Offline Tim Invictus

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2014, 12:43:09 PM »
The hi-jackers were positively identified via a number of different ways.  One being CCTV at the airports.  Every aspect of their lives were scrutinised including pilot training and links to Al-Quaeda.  If not Jihadists who would be prepared to carry out such an atrocity and know they were going to die in the process?

Grainy airport CCTV images are doubtful evidence at best Hols. Yes the MSM gave loads of details of the 19 hijackers Al Qaeda links and pilot training etc. .... what they hardly report is that many of the 19 hijackers are reported to be still alive.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

Obviously I agree no one is going to commit suicide by crashing a plane as part of a conspiracy. I don't even pretend to know the truth Hols but I am convinced we don't know it yet! To me there is no way the Pentagon and Shanksville 'crashes' were jet liners; there is no evidence whatsoever of the huge engines or any other debris always seen at crashes of 100 ton planes!

As for the Twin Towers .... god only knows, but I have to say nothing seems right to me. Especially the collapse of WTC 7!

Another very interesting fact I learned today; the destination of the hijacked planes was LAX (Los Angeles) airport. 100's of passengers from the flights were supposedly expected to land there but there were no friends or relatives at the airport either waiting for them or there trying to find out what was going on!

True the planes weren't supposed to land at LAX for a few hours but we always see on the news people rushing to the destination airport whenever there is a hijacking or crash! Then, guess what, the whole airport was closed 'for security reasons'!

Perhaps closing the airport is kind of understandable too but surely there should have been 100's of frantic friends/family members outside desperate to find out about their loved ones? The police and/or the airlines would surely have taken all these people to a holding place like a hotel and announced on the media where people trying to get to the airport should go!

Invariably the media rush to the airport or hotel to get high rating news coverage of the desperate people waiting for news. We see it all the time like during the recent loss of the Malaysian jet.

But for 911 at LAX? Nothing! Weird or what?

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2014, 02:50:55 PM »
This stuff is doing my head in now!  8-)(--)

Curiouser and curiouser!: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3uaQxc8uQ

Offline abs

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2014, 03:51:09 PM »
The recoveries of the passports and other plastic/paper/fabric retrieved get to me! Seems impossible! Did they fly out of the windows of the planes right before impact?!

There are photos of the items (skroll down) in this link:

http://www.fromdusktildawn.org.uk/Keith%27s%20view/understanding_911.htm

P.S. Some very good visual material in this link apart from the items I mentioned!
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Offline Tim Invictus

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2014, 09:35:00 PM »
The recoveries of the passports and other plastic/paper/fabric retrieved get to me! Seems impossible! Did they fly out of the windows of the planes right before impact?!

There are photos of the items (skroll down) in this link:

http://www.fromdusktildawn.org.uk/Keith%27s%20view/understanding_911.htm

P.S. Some very good visual material in this link apart from the items I mentioned!

Very interesting Abs!

Not only are their 2,207 architects and engineers who totally refute the official story. Dozens of explosive and demolition experts and numerous professors and scientists also challenge the official jackanory!

There is a worldwide association of pilots seeking the truth:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org

There is an association of over 300 911 survivors and bereaved family members: http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

400 + medical professionals:
http://mp911truth.org

220+ senior military, law enforcement, intelligence services professionals:
http://patriotsquestion911.com

New York NYFD firefighters:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110911032318/firefightersfor911truth.org/

Over 100 firefighters have testified to hearing multiple large explosions inside the Twin Towers after the planes hit and (obviously) before they fell! These men lost 341 of their colleagues in the WTC collapses .... I hardly think they would tell anything but the truth!

I am sure there are loads of other very relevant groups seeking the truth but that's it for now .... my curry just got delivered!







Offline Angelo222

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2014, 02:13:10 PM »
I don't hold with the 9/11 conspiracists because it has been too well documented.  The jet that flew into the ground vaporised as you would do if you hit Terra firma at 500 mph.  Same with the aircraft which flew into the Pentagon, a jet is really a tube with a pointed nose and two slim bits sticking out each side. The damage to the Pentagon and the twin towers was identical initially, just like a bullet entering a body.  A small entry wound followed by massive disruption internally.

Those who invented these conspiracies want to deny the terrorists their glory because at the end of the day the US was naive and a sitting duck!
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Tim Invictus

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2014, 02:54:46 PM »
I don't hold with the 9/11 conspiracists because it has been too well documented.  The jet that flew into the ground vaporised as you would do if you hit Terra firma at 500 mph.  Same with the aircraft which flew into the Pentagon, a jet is really a tube with a pointed nose and two slim bits sticking out each side. The damage to the Pentagon and the twin towers was identical initially, just like a bullet entering a body.  A small entry wound followed by massive disruption internally.

Those who invented these conspiracies want to deny the terrorists their glory because at the end of the day the US was naive and a sitting duck!

What do you think about WTC 7 collapsing Angelo?

No buildings have ever collapsed like that building and it wasn't hit by anything! There's no progressive or partial collapse; just a whole building free falling! And the BBC announced it had collapsed 20 minutes before it happened!

Strange?

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2014, 09:23:55 AM »
This is a very good and I would say compelling 911 documentary. 
1 hr 12 mins

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oPRILY10Ms4

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2014, 01:40:05 AM »
A British friend who is interested in the Amityville Murders (there is some play being performed in the UK about the murders so apparently some interest in the case) told me about this case.  Someone also posted about it on an Amityville message board as the UK's Amityville equivalent.  I talked about the many differences in both and saw all the various articles and claims that made it look like Jeremy was innocent so decided to look in more detail if that is true.  I was open to the idea he was actually innocent which made it more interesting but after researching it was clear those defending Jeremy are full of crap and the press simply publishing unfounded claims the defense has been making.

After seeing the evidence against the Menendez Brothers and Arias it was so clear they were guilty that it was not really worth following the court cases in much detail, just what the news showed.  Most care about the raunchy sex stories and supposed beauty of Arias instead of the case itself anyway. That is what was sensationized and written about extensively in tabloids and articles.

The Casey Anthony case I didnd't follow in great deatail because the conclusion was obvious. They had evidence suggesting she hid the corpse but no evidence of her killing the child.  They had nothing that could overcome her claim the child died by accident as opposed to in some nefarious way.  In our system it was obvious they lacked the necessary evidence to prove murder or even manslaughter.  So I was not surprised by the verdict at all and predicted it to people who wanted to discuss the matter but I chose not to watch it unfold. I personally believe that at minimum her negligence led to the death so wish they could have got her for something relatively serious.  They framed their case all wrong though.

As far as modern cases I mostly look at ones where people vanish and there thus are giant unknowns. Some like Holly Bobo they have resolved but others like Jessica Heeringa remain unsolved.


 

Interesting Scipio. I have to say your in depth study of the Bamber case is impressive; far more detailed about the case than me and I have followed it since the day Bamber killed them all! No one will forget Bamber being exposed for trying to sell porn photos of 'Bambi' to the gutter press; it was huge news at the time and after that no one was surprised when he was convicted!

So Scipio how come you haven't commented upon the 911 threads? I originally thought the 'truthers' were all nutjobs but I have been converted and now I am convinced it is all one big lie. Have a look at this video, maybe this very high ranking US officer might get you wondering? (20 mins.)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBRASvv471A


Offline scipio_usmc

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2014, 06:32:01 PM »
Interesting Scipio. I have to say your in depth study of the Bamber case is impressive; far more detailed about the case than me and I have followed it since the day Bamber killed them all! No one will forget Bamber being exposed for trying to sell porn photos of 'Bambi' to the gutter press; it was huge news at the time and after that no one was surprised when he was convicted!

So Scipio how come you haven't commented upon the 911 threads? I originally thought the 'truthers' were all nutjobs but I have been converted and now I am convinced it is all one big lie. Have a look at this video, maybe this very high ranking US officer might get you wondering? (20 mins.)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBRASvv471A

I used to comment and debate 911 back in the day.  There is little point today because it is known that 911 truthers are crackpots peddling nonsense.

You might like to know that Stubbelbine retred fromt he Army in 1984, has dementia and is nuts so posting a video from him is not of much value.  He was not anywhere near the Pentagon at the time of the attack and had no government contacts.  In fact many truthers insist he is a plant to discredit them. He is on video saying crazy things like that he believes people can walk through walls though and do all sorts of things with our minds like bend objects.  He has a history of making ridiculous claims including passing himself off as an expert in food standards.

His claims in relation to 911 are all nonsense and he has no proof of any kind to support any of his claims.  But even worse just look at the inconsistency of his claims:   

“Later I saw another photograph taken by one of the sensors on the outside of the Pentagon. Now, all of the sensors had been turned off, which is kind of interesting – isn’t it? That day, why would all of the sensors around the Pentagon be turned off?"

So he claims all the sensors were turned off yet contradicts himself saying a sensor took a photo.  Did he have access to any information that the public at large did not have?  No he was out of the military a long time and had no access at all to any government records only the same reports released to the public.   

“In the hole, however, was a turbine that looked like a turbine from the missile… I can’t prove that, I don’t know. But there was something there that did not look like the engine from an airplane, but did look like a turbine from a missile.”

It was documented to be an engine from an airplane.  The damage to the Pentagon is fully consistent with damage from an airplane.  Wings shred when they strike an object like the Pentagon.  There is nothing at all surprising that the wings shredded and did not make a hole that is shaped exactly like an airplane.  Since he offers no evidence of any kind to back up his claims and just makes wild assertions there is not really much of a need to bother to address all of his claims.  His claims of the radar system being turned off is nonsense.

911 conspiracy theorists claims have been so discredited there is little need to even bother refuting them anymore and can simply be refuted by posting debunking done by others. 

For instance, here is something that refutes the babble usually cited about anti-aircraft batteries at the Pentagon in 2001:

http://www.jod911.com/There_Are_No_Missile_Defenses_at_the_Pentagon.pdf


“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: 911 - False Flag conspiracy theory
« Reply #59 on: July 09, 2014, 11:49:12 PM »
I used to comment and debate 911 back in the day.  There is little point today because it is known that 911 truthers are crackpots peddling nonsense.

You might like to know that Stubbelbine retred fromt he Army in 1984, has dementia and is nuts so posting a video from him is not of much value.  He was not anywhere near the Pentagon at the time of the attack and had no government contacts.  In fact many truthers insist he is a plant to discredit them. He is on video saying crazy things like that he believes people can walk through walls though and do all sorts of things with our minds like bend objects.  He has a history of making ridiculous claims including passing himself off as an expert in food standards.

His claims in relation to 911 are all nonsense and he has no proof of any kind to support any of his claims.  But even worse just look at the inconsistency of his claims:   

“Later I saw another photograph taken by one of the sensors on the outside of the Pentagon. Now, all of the sensors had been turned off, which is kind of interesting – isn’t it? That day, why would all of the sensors around the Pentagon be turned off?"

So he claims all the sensors were turned off yet contradicts himself saying a sensor took a photo.  Did he have access to any information that the public at large did not have?  No he was out of the military a long time and had no access at all to any government records only the same reports released to the public.   

“In the hole, however, was a turbine that looked like a turbine from the missile… I can’t prove that, I don’t know. But there was something there that did not look like the engine from an airplane, but did look like a turbine from a missile.”

It was documented to be an engine from an airplane.  The damage to the Pentagon is fully consistent with damage from an airplane.  Wings shred when they strike an object like the Pentagon.  There is nothing at all surprising that the wings shredded and did not make a hole that is shaped exactly like an airplane.  Since he offers no evidence of any kind to back up his claims and just makes wild assertions there is not really much of a need to bother to address all of his claims.  His claims of the radar system being turned off is nonsense.

911 conspiracy theorists claims have been so discredited there is little need to even bother refuting them anymore and can simply be refuted by posting debunking done by others. 

For instance, here is something that refutes the babble usually cited about anti-aircraft batteries at the Pentagon in 2001:

http://www.jod911.com/There_Are_No_Missile_Defenses_at_the_Pentagon.pdf

Scipio I only posted that video of the retired Major General as he is a military man like yourself and a good example of someone who, like myself, initially thought conspiracy theorists to be just cranks but has been completely converted by the undeniable facts of 911!

There is much more compelling evidence that it is utterly impossible that an airliner caused that damage to the Pentagon. Rather than quote it here, I will open a thread and post it on the 911 section.

One thing that surprises me is your unquestioning acceptance of the official story in the face of overwhelming evidence. Your always at pains to point out USA's military excellence and superiority yet your willing to swallow that a hijacked airliner can fly around eastern USA for 90 minutes and crash into the most protected building on earth with impunity!

Surely you know The Pentagon, White House & Capitol area is an absolute no fly area, protected by the most sophisticated three layer radar and air defence systems available. Andrews Air Force base is some 12 miles from the Pentagon and the 113th Fighter Wing stationed there calls itself the 'Capitol Guardians'!

Never mind that it's impossible the damage to the Pentagon was caused by a Boeing 767, surely you do not believe your military so incompetent they couldn't stop a slow moving plane like that 40 MINUTES AFTER the second plane was flown into the South Tower?

In the year leading up to 911, fighter jets were called out 67 times in the US to check on possible hijacked planes and on every occasion intercepted the suspect plane within 10 minutes of being alerted! On 911 they 'missed' all 4 known hijacked planes with up to 90 minutes notice! Stop being so naive Scipio!

http://www.journalof911studies.com/resources/Schreyer-Vol-33-Oct2012.pdf

PS: Your link about the missile defence has no authenticity whatsoever!