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Offline Mr Gray

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Offline Mr Moderator

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2014, 11:58:56 AM »
MI5 spies know what happened to Maddie McCann, claims Portuguese detective

MI5 AGENTS know what happened to missing Madeleine McCann but are covering it up, claims former Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral.



Kate and Gerry McCann, in Praia da Luz the year Madeleine vanished, are suing Goncalo Amaral (left)


The disgraced detective made the bombshell claim in a Portuguese television documentary that openly mocked Scotland Yard’s new investigation. When asked if people will ever learn what really happened, Mr Amaral responded: “Yes, we will, when MI5 opens the case files, we will find out.

“Don’t forget that the British secret services followed the case right from the beginning. I don’t know if that information will be made available but if it’s like the United States, it takes years to have access to confidential information.”

Mr Amaral, 56, was the officer who co-ordinated the Portuguese police investigation from May 3, 2007, when three-year-old Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment at Praia da Luz on the Algarve.

After criticising British police he was kicked off the case four months later.

In his latest interview he claims that after two British police dogs were used to searched the McCann’s apartment at the Ocean Club, his team had to take the British person responsible for the operation to Faro Airport.

Amaral, now retired and working as a crime writer, went on: “He’s at the airport waiting for a plane to return to England and he receives a phone call. Then he explains to our colleague that a member of MI5 was at the airport, waiting to talk with him about the result of the investigation.

“Someone has the information, so make the information available.”

There has been suspicion in the senior ranks of Portugal’s police that US and/or British intelligence chiefs have satellite images of the area that could be helpful but have never passed them on.

The latest Scotland Yard squad is apparently working on the theory that Madeleine was abducted by burglars who were also involved in drug trafficking. Mr Amaral said the same theory was put forward by a Yard detective seconded to his team seven years ago.

“It was discussed and completely set aside because it made no sense,” he said. “Nobody has proved the house was broken into, that there was a theft, there are no traces of a break-in. No money, cameras or anything else was taken.”

He said he expects the latest Yard inquiry to wind down soon, without a breakthrough, adding: “They are getting to the point of saying that she is dead.

“They will reach the point of saying that the cadaver can’t be found and the case can’t be solved.”

Mr Amaral will face Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, at a civil court in Lisbon on July 8.

The couple, who cling to the hope their daughter might be alive, are suing him for £1million for libel over his claim that Madeleine died in the apartment, made in his book The Truth Of The Lie.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/485524/Portuguese-detective-says-MI5-spies-know-what-happened-to-Madeleine-McCann


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Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2014, 12:58:16 PM »
And don't forget the meetings in the UK in Nov 2007

"In late November, PJ officers and forensic experts came to meet police and FSS experts in the UK ...
...I heard that a PJ officer had been surprised to find a member of MI5 at a UK meeting about the case"

(Source: Sunday Times 16 Dec 2007 "Beyond The Smears" by David James Smith)
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 01:37:35 PM by pegasus »

Offline jassi

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 01:11:34 PM »
No doubt this will be scoffed at as an error in translation, or some-such.
I, on the other hand, suspect that there might be more to it than meets the eye, though obviously I have no idea why they might be involved.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 01:17:35 PM »
And don't forget the meetings in the UK in Nov 2007

Times 17 Dec 2007
"In late November, PJ officers and forensic experts came to meet police and FSS experts in the UK ...
...I heard that a PJ officer had been surprised to find a member of MI5 at a UK meeting about the case"

Thanks for that snippet Pegasus.

I've heard the rumours before.

Now why would MI5 be involved with the case of two Doctors leaving their children ?

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 01:26:09 PM »
And don't forget the meetings in the UK in Nov 2007

(Source: Times 17 Dec 2007)
"In late November, PJ officers and forensic experts came to meet police and FSS experts in the UK ...
...I heard that a PJ officer had been surprised to find a member of MI5 at a UK meeting about the case"

Thanks, Pegasus. Who is "I" in that snippet?

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 01:33:36 PM »
No doubt this will be scoffed at as an error in translation, or some-such.
I, on the other hand, suspect that there might be more to it than meets the eye, though obviously I have no idea why they might be involved.

Well, it does sound rather like another instance of lost-in-confusion at the moment.

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 01:34:49 PM »
Thanks, Pegasus. Who is "I" in that snippet?
I will amend my post above by adding the journalist's name

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 01:39:52 PM »
Checking elsewhere

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/29/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

So the November meeting was when Corte-Real, Paiva and two other officers (IIRC one was Viegas as he signed off the FSS receipt for the Scenic hair fragments) went to the UK.

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 01:41:31 PM »
And don't forget the meetings in the UK in Nov 2007

"In late November, PJ officers and forensic experts came to meet police and FSS experts in the UK ...
...I heard that a PJ officer had been surprised to find a member of MI5 at a UK meeting about the case"

(Source: Sunday Times 16 Dec 2007 "Beyond The Smears" by David James Smith)

Thanks.

So which PJ officer could that have been? There was Paiva, Viegas and another one.

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2014, 01:51:35 PM »
What other meetings did the team have aside from discussing the forensic results with the FSS? If they had had a general meeting with UK police counterparts during their visit, there could well have been someone from SOCA present, particularly as someone from that agency did go out to PdL, according to Kate's book.

Having a look at this:
The Agency was formed following a merger of the National Crime Squad, the National Criminal Intelligence Service (elements of which were incorporated into AVCIS), the National Hi-Tech Crime Unit (NHTCU)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serious_Organised_Crime_Agency

It seems feasible that "...Intelligence Service..." gave some PJ officer the idea that it was MI5.


Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2014, 02:03:22 PM »
What other meetings did the team have aside from discussing the forensic results with the FSS? If they had had a general meeting with UK police counterparts during their visit, there could well have been someone from SOCA present, particularly as someone from that agency did go out to PdL, according to Kate's book.

Having a look at this:
The Agency was formed following a merger of the National Crime Squad, the National Criminal Intelligence Service (elements of which were incorporated into AVCIS), the National Hi-Tech Crime Unit (NHTCU)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serious_Organised_Crime_Agency

It seems feasible that "...Intelligence Service..." gave some PJ officer the idea that it was MI5.

so there is no first hand real evidence to support the involvement of MI5

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2014, 02:13:40 PM »
so there is no first hand real evidence to support the involvement of MI5

Not that I can find.

It sounds a bit like the enduring myth that Kate contacted Sky before the police. In reality, she didn't personally contact either that night and the first broadcaster to be contacted was the BBC, via Rachel's friend. However, as a GNR officer had heard that a UK TV station had been contacted, he may well have assumed that it was Sky in the same way as someone might assume that a US TV news broadcaster was necessarily CNN.

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2014, 02:14:53 PM »
What other meetings did the team have aside from discussing the forensic results with the FSS? If they had had a general meeting with UK police counterparts during their visit, there could well have been someone from SOCA present, particularly as someone from that agency did go out to PdL, according to Kate's book.

Having a look at this:
The Agency was formed following a merger of the National Crime Squad, the National Criminal Intelligence Service (elements of which were incorporated into AVCIS), the National Hi-Tech Crime Unit (NHTCU)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serious_Organised_Crime_Agency

It seems feasible that "...Intelligence Service..." gave some PJ officer the idea that it was MI5.
Interesting stuff, thanks Carana, I am interested in your questions just know the answers at this point.
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Offline jassi

Re: Amaral and MI5
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2014, 02:22:35 PM »
What other meetings did the team have aside from discussing the forensic results with the FSS? If they had had a general meeting with UK police counterparts during their visit, there could well have been someone from SOCA present, particularly as someone from that agency did go out to PdL, according to Kate's book.

Having a look at this:
The Agency was formed following a merger of the National Crime Squad, the National Criminal Intelligence Service (elements of which were incorporated into AVCIS), the National Hi-Tech Crime Unit (NHTCU)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serious_Organised_Crime_Agency

It seems feasible that "...Intelligence Service..." gave some PJ officer the idea that it was MI5.

This National Criminal Intelligence service was a police unit, not part of MI5 and was disbanded  (merged) in 2006, so not likely that they would still be referring to themselves by an old title.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future