Kate McCann admits in her book that private criminal investigations in Portugal were illegal.

[pathfinder73]

Jane didn't get a good look at George Harrison's face 

What a farce when the McCanns are involved! The efits were from the hidden file.

[Alice Purjorick]

I found this when I was looking for something entirely different and thought it might lead to the explanation of why the Times paid up and apologised in recognition that they had wronged the McCanns.

It rather suggests to me that the images promoted in the Crimewatch appeal actually may have more to do with HOLMES than PIs.



New photo clue to Madeleine McCann case

DETECTIVES are using the latest computer technology to try to create a new image of a “prime suspect” who might have been involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

By JAMES MURRAY
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Mar 11, 2012


They are also working on a “computerised reconstruction” of the night she disappeared by putting thousands of pieces of information into the police Holmes computer.

The developments come at a ­significant time with the Policia Judiciaria in Portugal announcing it has a cold case team working on the investigation in Porto, north Portugal.

The Portuguese officers will work closely with the Scotland Yard detectives and will have “primacy” in the investigation.

The Sunday Express understands the Yard team have been examining all photofits, e-fits and drawings of people suspected of being involved in the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine from an apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007. One of the best known drawings was based on a description given by a friend of Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate. Jane Tanner claimed she saw a man carrying a child in his arms but did not get a good look at his face.

Other images were created from witnesses who saw people acting suspiciously in the vicinity around the time of the crime.

Irishman Martin Smith and members of his family saw a man carrying a child in his arms at about 10pm, about 45 minutes after the Tanner sighting. However, he was not asked to help produce a photofit. The Met refuses to discuss the details but it is expected that officers will approach Mr Smith and his family for help. Yard experts are looking at ways of improving the images to end with one pristine likeness of the “suspect”.

Officers are using the Home Office Large Major Enquiry System for computer logging of all relevant information and have tailored it to help create what is described as a “computer reconstruction” of the key events of the night of May 3.

It is hoped that eventually there will be an almost minute by minute account, which will assist officers.

The Yard launched its review last year after Kate and Gerry McCann appealed directly to David Cameron. Officers have visited Portugal several times and are said to have a good relationship with their Portuguese counterparts.

PJ deputy chief Pedro do Carmo said: ‘‘The Porto team is very experienced in these cases.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leicestershire, hope the review will lead to a full scale reopening of the case.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/307369/New-photo-clue-to-Madeleine-McCann-case

How?. Do you mean they [the images]were created and then downloaded into HOLMES ?. If so who provided the data from which the images were created ?.

[G-Unit]

Nothing was 'held back'.

A live and on-going police enquiry (alone) was needed to publicise the e-fit of (possibly) Madeleine's abductor.

In a word,  codwallop! There was no investigation when Edgar did this;

Former police chief Dave Edgar, leading the McCanns' investigation team, will unveil an e-fit image of the woman at a press conference in London and appeal for anyone who knows her to come forward.
Find Maddie Aussie The Sun 
 
By ANTONELLA LAZZERI
Published: Today (05 August 2009)
 

[Brietta]

How?. Do you mean they [the images]were created and then downloaded into HOLMES ?. If so who provided the data from which the images were created ?.

Perhaps you will note that it is not my byline on the article so the questions you ask might be better addressed to the author who no doubt will be able to clarify the situation regarding the efits and the early steps which led to the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance being reopened.

The article seemed to be self explanatory to me ... then I'm grinding no axes other than to back up my opinions and what facts there may be with the provision of cites.

[ferryman]

In a word,  codwallop! There was no investigation when Edgar did this;

Former police chief Dave Edgar, leading the McCanns' investigation team, will unveil an e-fit image of the woman at a press conference in London and appeal for anyone who knows her to come forward.
Find Maddie Aussie The Sun 
 
By ANTONELLA LAZZERI
Published: Today (05 August 2009)

I might be right.

Or I might be right.

But as far as I'm aware, Australia is nowhere near Praia da Luz ....

[Alice Purjorick]

Perhaps you will note that it is not my byline on the article so the questions you ask might be better addressed to the author who no doubt will be able to clarify the situation regarding the efits and the early steps which led to the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance being reopened.

The article seemed to be self explanatory to me ... then I'm grinding no axes other than to back up my opinions and what facts there may be with the provision of cites.

You voiced an opinion. I asked how you arrived at that from the information in the article.
HOLMES is a "management system". All management systems are big dumb fast things that know nothing til someone tells them something. So who told HOLMES the bit about the mystery efits? In your opinion.

[Mr Gray]

Mrs Smith saw it sufficiently so that she asked him a question.

that statement doesn't make any sense....another odd post

[Brietta]

You voiced an opinion. I asked how you arrived at that from the information in the article.
HOLMES is a "management system". All management systems are big dumb fast things that know nothing til someone tells them something. So who told HOLMES the bit about the mystery efits? In your opinion.

When the article was published, Sun, Mar 11, 2012 ... there were no mystery efits. Therefore to ask for or to pass comment on the blindingly obvious is superfluous. In my honest opinion, of course.

[pathfinder73]

that statement doesn't make any sense....another odd post

We've all seen the newspaper report but it need to be backed up.

"Oh is she asleep?" Mary Smith to the man carrying the lookalike Madeleine child and got no response.

EXCLUSIVE: Tourist met rude man carrying child in blanket on night Madeleine vanished
By SANDRA MURPHY, VANESSA ALLEN
January 3, 2008

Speaking from his home in Drogheda, Co. Louth, Mr Smith recalled the sighting, which is strikingly similar to one by a friend of the McCanns, Jane Tanner. In hindsight, the retired Mr Smith said, the mans rude behaviour should have aroused his suspicions.
 
He explained: "The one thing we noted afterwards was that he gave us no greeting.
 
"My wife Mary remembered afterwards that she asked him, 'Oh, is she asleep?' But he never acknowledged her one way or another.
 
"He just put his head down and averted his eyes. This is very unusual in a tourist town at such a quiet time of the year."

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

[G-Unit]

I might be right.

Or I might be right.

But as far as I'm aware, Australia is nowhere near Praia da Luz ....

You said a live police investigation needed to be in place to publicise e-fits. Not so. Edgar managed to publicise the e-fit of the Australian woman when no investigation was taking place. He could have produced Smithman at a press conference also had he and the Mccanns wished to do so.

[ferryman]

You said a live police investigation needed to be in place to publicise e-fits. Not so. Edgar managed to publicise the e-fit of the Australian woman when no investigation was taking place. He could have produced Smithman at a press conference also had he and the Mccanns wished to do so.

Proximity: (very) close to apartment 5a

Time: (just about) the time Madeleine is known to have been abducted!

Distinct from another continent (roughly) 12,000 miles (about 20,000 kilometres) away at a completely different time.

I'm sure you'll get there.

Eventually ....

[G-Unit]

I found this when I was looking for something entirely different and thought it might lead to the explanation of why the Times paid up and apologised in recognition that they had wronged the McCanns.

It rather suggests to me that the images promoted in the Crimewatch appeal actually may have more to do with HOLMES than PIs.



New photo clue to Madeleine McCann case

DETECTIVES are using the latest computer technology to try to create a new image of a “prime suspect” who might have been involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

By JAMES MURRAY
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Mar 11, 2012


They are also working on a “computerised reconstruction” of the night she disappeared by putting thousands of pieces of information into the police Holmes computer.

The developments come at a ­significant time with the Policia Judiciaria in Portugal announcing it has a cold case team working on the investigation in Porto, north Portugal.

The Portuguese officers will work closely with the Scotland Yard detectives and will have “primacy” in the investigation.

The Sunday Express understands the Yard team have been examining all photofits, e-fits and drawings of people suspected of being involved in the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine from an apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007. One of the best known drawings was based on a description given by a friend of Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate. Jane Tanner claimed she saw a man carrying a child in his arms but did not get a good look at his face.

Other images were created from witnesses who saw people acting suspiciously in the vicinity around the time of the crime.

Irishman Martin Smith and members of his family saw a man carrying a child in his arms at about 10pm, about 45 minutes after the Tanner sighting. However, he was not asked to help produce a photofit. The Met refuses to discuss the details but it is expected that officers will approach Mr Smith and his family for help. Yard experts are looking at ways of improving the images to end with one pristine likeness of the “suspect”.

Officers are using the Home Office Large Major Enquiry System for computer logging of all relevant information and have tailored it to help create what is described as a “computer reconstruction” of the key events of the night of May 3.

It is hoped that eventually there will be an almost minute by minute account, which will assist officers.

The Yard launched its review last year after Kate and Gerry McCann appealed directly to David Cameron. Officers have visited Portugal several times and are said to have a good relationship with their Portuguese counterparts.

PJ deputy chief Pedro do Carmo said: ‘‘The Porto team is very experienced in these cases.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leicestershire, hope the review will lead to a full scale reopening of the case.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/307369/New-photo-clue-to-Madeleine-McCann-case

HOLMES was being used to create a minute by minute account of the events of 3rd May.

The 'latest computer technology' (not HOLMES) was being used to create a new e-fit from all those previously produced, in an attempt to have one prime suspect.

So HOLMES produced Redwood's forensic timeline.

Other technology was used to amalgamate all the previous e-fits into one 'master' e-fit.

So was Smithman a mixture of all the previous e-fits or was he a mixture of all the reported sightings? SY said in an FOI that Irish witnesses produced him.

[jassi]

HOLMES was being used to create a minute by minute account of the events of 3rd May.

The 'latest computer technology' (not HOLMES) was being used to create a new e-fit from all those previously produced, in an attempt to have one prime suspect.

So HOLMES produced Redwood's forensic timeline.

Other technology was used to amalgamate all the previous e-fits into one 'master' e-fit.

So was Smithman a mixture of all the previous e-fits or was he a mixture of all the reported sightings? SY said in an FOI that Irish witnesses produced him.

Any computer system is dependent on the quality of the data.
Given the vagaries of the various statements, it would seem likely to be  a case of garbage in, garbage out.

[G-Unit]

Proximity: (very) close to apartment 5a

Time: (just about) the time Madeleine is known to have been abducted!

Distinct from another continent (roughly) 12,000 miles (about 20,000 kilometres) away at a completely different time.

I'm sure you'll get there.

Eventually ....

That makes no sense to me, sorry. There's loads of e-fits around, most of which were publicised by the McCanns via the press. There was no reason not to include 'Smithman' in one of their press conferences.

[ferryman]

That makes no sense to me, sorry. There's loads of e-fits around, most of which were publicised by the McCanns via the press. There was no reason not to include 'Smithman' in one of their press conferences.

The mechanisms of due process and accusing are quite different in England than Portugal.

That might be part of the problem.

To accuse (as, essentially, those e-fits do) you need the background and context of a police investigation to release them.