Kate McCann admits in her book that private criminal investigations in Portugal were illegal.

[Alice Purjorick]

"Jean Pierre suggested that we should not slavishly follow the law if we believe it to be an ass. That rather suggests he wishes to cherry pick the laws that should be obeyed in his opinion. That way lies anarchy my friend. "

Where did Jean-Pierre suggest that?

But my point is once you have made the conscious decision to observe only laws that suit your convenience where will you draw the line at your law breaking?

Who are you referring to?

No one, I was stating a principle "All laws are meant to be observed not cherry picked at". Or do you find that notion disagreeable?
Jean-Pierre in a response to Angelo up the thread a bit my dear.

[John]

If it was illegal, can you please tell us why the PJ cooperated with them instead of arresting them?

One would have to ask the PJ that question.  My own view is that they were tolerated to begin with until it became very clear that Amaral was their target.

[Alfred R Jones]

One would have to ask the PJ that question.  My own view is that they were tolerated to begin with until it became very clear that Amaral was their target.

Not sure what you mean by that. 

[Angelo222]

I find the actions of the McCann incredulous.  There is a Chapter in Kate's book called 'The Fightback Begins' which infers a them and us scenario. All they had to do was to cooperate with the police and answer a few lousy questions.  Their arrogance astounds!

[John]

Not sure what you mean by that.

I suggest you read up on João (John) Grade and Método 3.

Extract from SIC magazine
15 February 2009

Leonor Cipriano was defended during the entire PJ torture investigation by the lawyer João Grade dos Santos but, "on the eve of the start of trial, the client waived the services of the lawyer,"

Acting on behalf of the McCanns, Método 3, tried to recruit Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, João Grade dos Santos, explaining that his help would be very helpful to their investigations, given the similarities between the two cases.  Método 3 stated that "spending money was no problem" and pulled the fore the theme "Gonçalo Amaral".  Only months later, having already refused to work for the Spanish agency, Grade realized that Método 3 had their own "agenda".  This "agenda" was, according to SIC, to get a lawyer to put Gonçalo Amaral "out of operation", since, in both cases, the detective seemed to want the same: the culpability of the parents.

Faced with the refusal of João Grade dos Santos, Método 3 approached another lawyer - the young Marcos Aragão Correia, who came to participate in searches of Madeleine as a medium and subsequently became involved in investigations related to the Joana case, eventually being engaged to defend Leonor Cipriano in the trial against the five inspectors from Faro.


Read it for yourself here.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3500.msg133640#msg133640

[Alfred R Jones]

I find the actions of the McCann incredulous.  There is a Chapter in Kate's book called 'The Fightback Begins' which infers a them and us scenario. All they had to do was to cooperate with the police and answer a few lousy questions.  Their arrogance astounds!

Of course it was an us and them scenario, how else would you describe it?!  The police think you're guilty and you know you're not.  Are you on their side??!

[Alice Purjorick]

I find the actions of the McCann incredulous.  There is a Chapter in Kate's book called 'The Fightback Begins' which infers a them and us scenario. All they had to do was to cooperate with the police and answer a few lousy questions.  Their arrogance astounds!

Was it a war novel?
It would not have been reasonable to cooperate with the authorities because according to many experts on this forum "the authorities would fit them up".
They had to effect a tactical withdrawal (aka runaway) to save themselves for "The Fightback". Like Dunkirk and Normandy but without the guns and fighting and death and stuff.

[Angelo222]

Of course it was an us and them scenario, how else would you describe it?!  The police think you're guilty and you know you're not.  Are you on their side??!

All they had to do was to tell the truth and sit tight but not them.  They even considered fleeing to Spain so you tell me???   I won't even mention the conspiracy to thwart the reconstruction.

[Angelo222]

Was it a war novel?
It would not have been reasonable to cooperate with the authorities because according to many experts on this forum "the authorities would fit them up".
They had to effect a tactical withdrawal (aka runaway) to save themselves for "The Fightback". Like Dunkirk and Normandy but without the guns and fighting and death and stuff.

I've never heard of the parents of a disappeared child behaving in such a manner, it's unprecedented so no prizes to Alfred and no prizes for guessing why they did it.

[Carana]

I suggest you read up on João (John) Grade and Método 3.

Extract from SIC magazine
15 February 2009

Leonor Cipriano was defended during the entire PJ torture investigation by the lawyer João Grade dos Santos but, "on the eve of the start of trial, the client waived the services of the lawyer,"

Acting on behalf of the McCanns, Método 3, tried to recruit Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, João Grade dos Santos, explaining that his help would be very helpful to their investigations, given the similarities between the two cases.  Método 3 stated that "spending money was no problem" and pulled the fore the theme "Gonçalo Amaral".  Only months later, having already refused to work for the Spanish agency, Grade realized that Método 3 had their own "agenda".  This "agenda" was, according to SIC, to get a lawyer to put Gonçalo Amaral "out of operation", since, in both cases, the detective seemed to want the same: the culpability of the parents.

Faced with the refusal of João Grade dos Santos, Método 3 approached another lawyer - the young Marcos Aragão Correia, who came to participate in searches of Madeleine as a medium and subsequently became involved in investigations related to the Joana case, eventually being engaged to defend Leonor Cipriano in the trial against the five inspectors from Faro.


Read it for yourself here.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3500.msg133640#msg133640

LOL John. That sounds like rather a lot of spin to me. Who was the source for this SIC report?

[jassi]

Given all their expert advisers, I don't believe they were in the least bewildered.

[Alfred R Jones]

All they had to do was to tell the truth and sit tight but not them.  They even considered fleeing to Spain so you tell me???   I won't even mention the conspiracy to thwart the reconstruction.

So, all they had to do was tell the truth and all would have been well would it?  How naive.  I guess in your world view no one who is innocent ever gets wrongly charged with a crime.

[jassi]

So, all they had to do was tell the truth and all would have been well would it?  How naive.  I guess in your world view no one who is innocent ever gets wrongly charged with a crime.

It doesn't matter if they get charged. A problem only arises if they are wrongfully convicted.

[Alfred R Jones]

It doesn't matter if they get charged. A problem only arises if they are wrongfully convicted.

This is madness.  How long would it have been between being charged and a verdict in court? Meanwhile are the police going to be looking for the actual perpetrator and your daughter?n Please be reasonable.

[Angelo222]

LOL John. That sounds like rather a lot of spin to me. Who was the source for this SIC report?

We can leave the spin to Clarrie and since SIC has not been sued by M3 we know where the truth lies.