Author Topic: Kate McCann admits in her book that private criminal investigations in Portugal were illegal.  (Read 136365 times)

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Offline Angelo222

Could you elucidate?

What did Metodo 3 do that was illegal?

There are numerous PT posters here, but none have provided the relevant laws... and they've had months to check it out. The silence seems deafening.

Interference in the official investigation
Harassing witnesses
Bribery
Faking sightings
Attempt to perfect the course of justice

...need any more Carana then I suggest you Google Metodo 3.
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Offline Benice

Reminds me of a worm on a hook, all that wriggling.  Bottom line is the thread title is absolutely spot on, KMcC knew employing private investigators to work in a criminal case in Portugal was against the law but did it anyway. Gosh, you will be suggesting next that Metodo 3 were a law unto themselves and did it all without the McCanns knowing about it. That dear friends is the real fantasy.  8(0(*

So why did the PJ meet with Metodo3  operatives, and accept and act on  information from them about the case instead of arresting them?    That makes no sense if Metodo had been acting illegally.
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Offline Angelo222

Metodo knew they were on shaky ground...

On 19 October 2007, Alberto Carbas, the head of the Spanish CID Anti-Kidnapping Unit (Unidad de Secuestros de la Policia Judicial) contacted the PJ and asked detectives in charge of Madeleine's investigation it they were willing to have a meeting with a representative from Metodo 3 and a Spanish police officer from the same unit.

The purpose of the meeting was to give the PJ some information those detectives had. The Spanish police officer made clear that Metodo 3 had no intention of interfering in the Portuguese police work, but only to transmit some useful information. In the same contact, Metodo 3 said that they were not working for the McCanns, but for Brian Kennedy.

On November 13, 2007, the meeting took place, in Portimão. Two PJ detectives – Ricardo Paiva and Paulo Ferreira. - the director of Metodo 3, Mr. Francisco Marco, an adviser from the private detectives company, Mr. António Jimenez (former head of Police Anti-Kidnapping Unit from Catalonia) and Mr. Brian Kennedy participated in the meeting.

The two PJ detectives submitted a report, about the meeting, the information exchanged and the investigations, following the leads given by Metodo 3.

On the report, which is in the DVD files, it's referred that Mr. Kennedy stressed, just as the meeting started, that his only intent was a charitable one, because he was concerned with cases related with child neglect and missing children. He stated that his concern, in that specific case, was only the truth and nothing more than the truth, irrespective if the McCanns, their friends or any other person was involved or suspect.
 
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Offline Brietta

You seem to be missing the whole point of my post, my dear. Whether by accident or design is not clear.
Please do lighten up a little, life on here is not real and merely provides an amusing diversion. The police are doing the real work.

You always gave me the impression you were patronising us by deigning to post here ~ seems I may not been too far off the mark ~ however your supercilious remarks fail to obscure that you are a person with a particular bias and your own agenda.  So do continue to have fun, as they say rather threateningly in restaurants … “Enjoy”.
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Offline Angelo222

and more...

So, what were Metodo 3 doing for nearly two months before the McCanns announced that they had been hired?

Were they receiving £50,000 per month from Madeleine's Fund, and an undisclosed sum from the McCanns' wealthy backers, just for keeping secret?

It is more likely they were working stealthily to get witnesses on board to support the McCanns case. According to Clarence Mitchell, Metodo 3 have been active in Portugal, which is illegal under Portuguese law, but Mr Mitchell claims Alipio Ribeiro has been turning a blind eye to it.

Daily Mail, 28 November 2007:

The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: "The fund has agreed to pay Metodo 3 £50,000 a month towards their costs."

Asked about donations, he said: "Money pours in at the start and dries up after a while, it's only natural. Money is still coming in."

Daily Mail, 10 January 2008:

'He (Clarence Mitchell) said the Find Madeleine board members and the McCanns' multi-millionaire backer, double glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy, would meet to discuss the contract (of Metodo 3) in February.

"It is a matter for the bankers and the fund to make the final decision," he said.

"We are paying Metodo 3 £50,000 a month so of course it is a subject of debate. The decision is as much with Brian as it is with the fund, which pays for Metodo 3's involvement."
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Offline Angelo222

So why did the PJ meet with Metodo3  operatives, and accept and act on  information from them about the case instead of arresting them?    That makes no sense if Metodo had been acting illegally.

Because the Guardia Civil asked them to after they gave a false assurance that they wouldn't disrupt the official investigation.  You see M3 are liars and crooks.
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Offline Mr Gray

Metodo knew they were on shaky ground...

On 19 October 2007, Alberto Carbas, the head of the Spanish CID Anti-Kidnapping Unit (Unidad de Secuestros de la Policia Judicial) contacted the PJ and asked detectives in charge of Madeleine's investigation it they were willing to have a meeting with a representative from Metodo 3 and a Spanish police officer from the same unit.

The purpose of the meeting was to give the PJ some information those detectives had. The Spanish police officer made clear that Metodo 3 had no intention of interfering in the Portuguese police work, but only to transmit some useful information. In the same contact, Metodo 3 said that they were not working for the McCanns, but for Brian Kennedy.

On November 13, 2007, the meeting took place, in Portimão. Two PJ detectives – Ricardo Paiva and Paulo Ferreira. - the director of Metodo 3, Mr. Francisco Marco, an adviser from the private detectives company, Mr. António Jimenez (former head of Police Anti-Kidnapping Unit from Catalonia) and Mr. Brian Kennedy participated in the meeting.

The two PJ detectives submitted a report, about the meeting, the information exchanged and the investigations, following the leads given by Metodo 3.

On the report, which is in the DVD files, it's referred that Mr. Kennedy stressed, just as the meeting started, that his only intent was a charitable one, because he was concerned with cases related with child neglect and missing children. He stated that his concern, in that specific case, was only the truth and nothing more than the truth, irrespective if the McCanns, their friends or any other person was involved or suspect.
So if M3 were working for Kennedy how does it follow that the McCanns were breaking the law

Offline Mr Gray

Reminds me of a worm on a hook, all that wriggling.  Bottom line is the thread title is absolutely spot on, KMcC knew employing private investigators to work in a criminal case in Portugal was against the law but did it anyway. Gosh, you will be suggesting next that Metodo 3 were a law unto themselves and did it all without the McCanns knowing about it. That dear friends is the real fantasy.  8(0(*

Worm on a hook... I would say that this accusation is of no importance whatsoever...

Offline Alice Purjorick

So if M3 were working for Kennedy how does it follow that the McCanns were breaking the law

Down the long snake back into square one my dears.
Who were the parties to the contract?
Well Metodo3 on the one part but who was the other party?. Do we actually know?
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Offline Angelo222

So if M3 were working for Kennedy how does it follow that the McCanns were breaking the law

Best ask Kate as she appeared to be under the impression that Metodo was working for them.  It makes no difference in any event as it was the McCanns who were giving the orders.

And anyone who thinks the McCanns weren't wholly involved in the decision making really need to wake up imo.
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Offline Mr Gray

Best ask Kate as she appeared to be under the impression that Metodo was working for them.  It makes no difference in any event as it was the McCanns who were giving the orders.

And anyone who thinks the McCanns weren't wholly involved in the decision making really need to wake up imo.

it makes a hell of a lot of difference

Offline Mr Gray

I'm sure that both SY and the PJ are planning the best time to arrest the McCanns

Offline John

If we are to accept that Kate McCann has told the truth then we have to accept that Método 3 were working for them regardless of who set it up initially.  What is known for sure is that the Madeleine Fund paid Método 3 a hell of a lot of money for their services and the McCanns are both directors of that Company.

Quote from: Kate McCann 'Madeleine'
Our first investigators, the Spanish company Método 3, began working for us in October.
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Metodo knew they were on shaky ground...

On 19 October 2007, Alberto Carbas, the head of the Spanish CID Anti-Kidnapping Unit (Unidad de Secuestros de la Policia Judicial) contacted the PJ and asked detectives in charge of Madeleine's investigation it they were willing to have a meeting with a representative from Metodo 3 and a Spanish police officer from the same unit.

The purpose of the meeting was to give the PJ some information those detectives had. The Spanish police officer made clear that Metodo 3 had no intention of interfering in the Portuguese police work, but only to transmit some useful information. In the same contact, Metodo 3 said that they were not working for the McCanns, but for Brian Kennedy.

On November 13, 2007, the meeting took place, in Portimão. Two PJ detectives – Ricardo Paiva and Paulo Ferreira. - the director of Metodo 3, Mr. Francisco Marco, an adviser from the private detectives company, Mr. António Jimenez (former head of Police Anti-Kidnapping Unit from Catalonia) and Mr. Brian Kennedy participated in the meeting.

The two PJ detectives submitted a report, about the meeting, the information exchanged and the investigations, following the leads given by Metodo 3.

On the report, which is in the DVD files, it's referred that Mr. Kennedy stressed, just as the meeting started, that his only intent was a charitable one, because he was concerned with cases related with child neglect and missing children. He stated that his concern, in that specific case, was only the truth and nothing more than the truth, irrespective if the McCanns, their friends or any other person was involved or suspect.

And who was Brian Kennedy working for?  QED

Clearly Método 3 lied through their backsides to get a foothold in Portugal and used Marcos Correia to do their dirty work for them.  All paid for of course by the Madeleine Fund. 
« Last Edit: August 06, 2014, 06:24:02 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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I expect there is a way to simplify it.

But I'm damned if I can think how.

All ways up, bang-on right ...
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