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Offline Angelo222

Thats right..so he didnt see his face...how good an ID is that...it is laughable

Mrs Smith saw it sufficiently so that she asked him a question.
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It is a matter of record that first Kennedy and then Halligen made it their business to challenge Smith and what he had already officially recorded in respect of his observation. You can wriggle and squirm as much as you like but until such time as Martin Smith reveals what pressure he was subjected to then that is all we know.

It's a matter of record that Brian Kennedy aksed Martin Smith to produce an e-fit.

Martin Smith declined.

All the time Martin Smith thought the man he and his family all saw was Gerry, he would decline.

That is common sense.

Then Martin Smith changed his mind and agreed to produce an e-fit.

That would be because he had decided, on the strength of the files, that he had been wrong to conclude the man was Gerry.

Amaral's 'smoking-gun' exploded in his own face ....


Offline Angelo222

It's a matter of record that Brian Kennedy aksed Martin Smith to produce an e-fit.

Martin Smith declined.

All the time Martin Smith thought the man he and his family all saw was Gerry, he would decline.

That is common sense.

Then Martin Smith changed his mind and agreed to produce an e-fit.

That would be because he had decided, on the strength of the files, that he had been wrong to conclude the man was Gerry.

Amaral's 'smoking-gun' exploded in his own face ....

What possible information contained within the files could lead Martin Smith to change his mind?  Unlike you or I he saw this man first hand and regardless of the disinformation and organised propaganda which followed he is stuck with that original experience.  Martin Smith has never publicly stated that he has changed his mind which in itself is somewhat revealing.

Touché

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What possible information contained within the files could lead Martin Smith to change his mind?  Unlike you or I he saw this man first hand and regardless of the disinformation and organised propaganda which followed he is stuck with that original experience.  Martin Smith has never publicly stated that he has changed his mind which in itself is somewhat revealing.

Touché

You obviously haven't read the files.

I'll warrant Martin Smith has.

The Times lost a libel action against the McCanns when its Insight team (so-called!) screwed up on this very point


Offline Angelo222

You obviously haven't read the files.

I'll warrant Martin Smith has.

The Times lost a libel action against the McCanns when its Insight team (so-called!) screwed up on this very point

Prove it!
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Prove it!

What, that The Times lost the libel trial?

If I still had my subscription to The Times, I would.

But I don't.

Offline G-Unit

Thats right..so he didnt see his face...how good an ID is that...it is laughable

The height, hairstyle and build matched. The manner of carrying the child matched. The child was sleeping deeply with it's arms by it's sides. He has never come forward to be identified. The question is do you have to see a face to identify someone? Many innocent men have been chosen from police line-ups by witnesses looking at faces. When Smith saw GM on the news he saw an 'action replay' of what he saw on 3rd May. It was similar enough to trigger the memory of what he had seen previously.
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Offline Angelo222

What, that The Times lost the libel trial?

If I still had my subscription to The Times, I would.

But I don't.

I can agree to differ but as I posted earlier, only Martin Smith himself can clear this up so it is a pity the opportunity was lost.  Maybe he will step up and go public yet?
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I can agree to differ but as I posted earlier, only Martin Smith himself can clear this up so it is a pity the opportunity was lost.  Maybe he will step up and go public yet?

We know from what Martin Smith has already revealed in the files that he was in disagreement with the whole party with him apart from his wife that the man was Gerry.  That would have included Aofe, a very highly observant witness .....

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The height, hairstyle and build matched. The manner of carrying the child matched. The child was sleeping deeply with it's arms by it's sides. He has never come forward to be identified. The question is do you have to see a face to identify someone? Many innocent men have been chosen from police line-ups by witnesses looking at faces. When Smith saw GM on the news he saw an 'action replay' of what he saw on 3rd May. It was similar enough to trigger the memory of what he had seen previously.
And how many more have been chosen by witnesses who never even got a clear look at their faces? 

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We know from what Martin Smith has already revealed in the files that he was in disagreement with the whole party with him apart from his wife that the man was Gerry.  That would have included Aofe, a very highly observant witness .....

Reported statement.

A more reliable source would be Mr. Smith himself.

Offline John

What, that The Times lost the libel trial?

If I still had my subscription to The Times, I would.

But I don't.

Does this help?



Readers should note that this article was pulled by the Sunday Times shortly after going to press and was replaced by a somewhat watered down version in The Times the following day.

On Sunday 29 December the Sunday Times printed a retraction and an apology for suggesting that the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years. They now claim that the e-fits were passed to police as early as October 2009 although they were created by Kevin Halligen and Oakley International in late 2007 or early 2008.

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/regulars/corrections/article1357081.ece





Sunday Times - paper edition 27 October 2013

Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years



             Madeleine disappeared from her parents holiday apartment in the
                       Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on 3rd May 2007



THE critical new evidence at the centre of Scotland Yard’s search for Madeleine McCann was kept secret for five years after it was presented to her parents by ex-MI5 investigators.

The evidence was in fact taken from an intelligence report produced for Gerry and Kate McCann by a firm of former spies in 2008.

It contained crucial E-Fits of a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, which have only this month become public after he was identified as the prime suspect by Scotland Yard.

But the trail was left to go cold for five years because the McCanns and their advisers sidelined the report and threatened to sue its authors if they divulged the contents.

The report, seen by the Sunday Times, called for the E-Fits to be released immediately and said "anomalies" in statements by the McCanns and their friends must be resolved.

A source close to the McCanns said the report was considered “hypercritical of the people involved” and “would have been completely distracting” if made public.

[Page 4]

The new prime suspect was first singled out by detectives in 2008. Their findings were suppressed. Insight reports

The team of hand-picked former MI5 agents had been hired by Kate and Gerry McCann to chase a much-needed breakthrough in the search for their missing daughter Madeleine.

It was the spring of 2008, 10 months after the three-year-old had disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, and the McCanns were beginning to despair over the handling of the local police investigation. They were relying on the new team to bring fresh hope.

But within months the relationship had soured. A report produced by the investigators was deemed “hypercritical” of the McCanns and their friends, and the authors were threatened with legal action if it was made public.

Its contents remained secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the authors and asked for a copy.

They found that it contained new evidence about a key suspect seen carrying a child away from the McCanns’ holiday apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared.

This sighting is now considered the main lead in the investigation and E-Fits of the suspect, taken from the report, were the centrepiece of a Crimewatch appeal that attracted more than 2,400 calls from the public this month.

One of the investigators whose work was sidelined said last week he was “utterly stunned” when he watched the programme and saw the evidence his team had passed to the McCanns five years ago presented as a breakthrough.

The team of investigators from the security firm Oakley International were hired by the McCanns’ Find Madeleine fund, which bankrolled private investigations into the girl’s disappearance. They were led by Henri Exton, MI5’s former undercover operations chief.

Their report, seen by The Sunday Times, focused on a sighting by an Irish family of a man carrying a child at about 10pm on May 3, 2007, when Madeleine went missing.

An earlier sighting by one of the McCanns’ friends was dismissed as less credible after “serious inconsistencies” were found in her evidence. The report also raised questions about “anomalies” in the statements given by the McCanns and their friends.

Exton confirmed last week that the fund had silenced his investigators for years after they handed over their controversial findings. He said: “A letter came from their lawyers binding us to the confidentiality of the report.”

He claimed the legal threat had prevented him from handing over the report to Scotland Yard’s fresh investigation, until detectives had obtained written permission from the fund. A source close to the fund said the report was considered “hypercritical of the people involved” and “would have been completely distracting” if it became public.

Oakley’s six-month investigation included placing undercover agents inside the Ocean Club where the family stayed, lie detector tests, covert surveillance and a forensic re-examination of all existing evidence.

It was immediately clear that two sightings of vital importance had been reported to the police. Two men were seen carrying children near the apartments between 9pm, when Madeleine was last seen by Gerry, and 10pm, when Kate discovered her missing.

The first man was seen at 9.15pm by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, who had been dining with them at the tapas bar in the resort. She saw a man carrying a girl just yards from the apartment as she went to check on her children.

The second sighting was by Martin Smith and his family from Ireland, who saw a man carrying a child near the apartment just before 10pm.

The earlier Tanner sighting had always been treated as the most significant, but the Oakley team controversially poured cold water on her account.

Instead, they focused on the Smith sighting, travelling to Ireland to interview the family and produce E-Fits of the man they saw. Their report said the Smiths were “helpful and sincere” and concluded: “The Smith sighting is credible evidence of a sighting of Maddie and more credible than Jane Tanner’s sighting”. The evidence had been “neglected for too long” and an “overemphasis placed on Tanner”.

The new focus shifted the believed timeline of the abduction back by 45 minutes. The report, delivered to the McCanns in November 2008, recommended that the revised timeline should be the basis for future investigations and that the Smith E-Fits should be released without delay.


"The report questioned 'anomalies' in the McCanns' statements"


The potential abductor seen by the Smiths is now the prime suspect in Scotland Yard’s investigation, after detectives established that the man seen earlier by Tanner was almost certainly a father carrying his child home from a nearby night creche. The Smith E-Fits were the centrepiece of the Crimewatch appeal.

Investigators had E-Fits five years ago

One of the Oakley investigators said last week: “I was absolutely stunned when I watched the programme . . . It most certainly wasn’t a new timeline and it certainly isn’t a new revelation. It is absolute nonsense to suggest either of those things . . . And those E-Fits you saw on Crimewatch are ours,” he said.

The detailed images of the face of the man seen by the Smith family were never released by the McCanns. But an artist’s impression of the man seen earlier by Tanner was widely promoted, even though the face had to be left blank because she had only seen him fleetingly and from a distance.

Various others images of lone men spotted hanging around the resort at other times were also released.

Nor were the Smith E-Fits included in Kate McCann’s 2011 book, Madeleine, which contained a whole section on eight “key sightings” and identified those of the Smiths and Tanner as most “crucial”. Descriptions of all seven other sightings were accompanied by an E-Fit or artist’s impression. The Smiths’ were the only exception. So why was such a “crucial” piece of evidence kept under lock and key?

The relationship between the fund and Oakley was already souring by the time the report was submitted — and its findings could only have made matters worse.

As well as questioning parts of the McCanns’ evidence, it contained sensitive information about Madeleine’s sleeping patterns and raised the highly sensitive possibility that she could have died in an accident after leaving the apartment herself from one of two unsecured doors.

There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.

The McCanns were also understandably wary of Oakley after allegations that the chairman, Kevin Halligen, failed to pass on money paid by the fund to Exton’s team. Halligen denies this. He was later convicted of fraud in an unrelated case in the US.

The McCann fund source said the Oakley report was passed on to new private investigators after the contract ended, but that the firm’s work was considered “contaminated” by the financial dispute.

He said the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised. It was also considered necessary to threaten legal action against the authors.

“[The report] was hypercritical of the people involved . . . It just wouldn’t be conducive to the investigation to have that report publicly declared because . . . the newspapers would have been all over it. And it would have been completely distracting,” said the source.

A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that “all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary” and had been passed to Scotland Yard.

It continued: “Throughout the investigation, the Find Madeleine fund’s sole priority has been, and remains, to find Madeleine and bring her home as swiftly as possible.”

Insight: Heidi Blake and Jonathan Calvert

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id285.html

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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Followed by this retraction...

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sunday-times-sued-mccanns-over-story-which-wrongly-claimed-evidence-was-withheld-police


Sunday Times sued by McCanns over story which wrongly claimed evidence was withheld from police
 
PressGazette
William Turvill
19 September 2014

   

The parents of missing child Madeleine McCann have sued The Sunday Times for libel over a story which they said gave the impression they had hindered the investigation into her disappearance.

According to publisher News UK the claim has been settled.

Kate and Gerry McCann took issue with a front-page story from last year, which the couple said suggested they had kept "secret from investigating authorities a crucial piece of evidence concerning the disappearance of their daughter".

In addition to the article, which was published on 27 October and remained online until 8 November, the McCanns also made reference to readers' comments left on the article - in High Court papers seen by Press Gazette.

The story, for which the paper apologised on 28 December, said: “The critical new evidence at the centre of Scotland Yard’s search for Madeleine McCann was kept secret for five years after it was presented to her parents by ex-MI5 investigators.”

The title reported that an intelligence report produced for the McCanns contained “crucial E-Fits” of a man who was identified as the prime suspect last year. The paper said that the “McCanns and their advisers sidelined the report and threatened to sue its authors if they divulged its contents”.

The Insight story also quoted a source close to the McCanns as saying that the report was “hyper-critical of the people involved”.

In their claim form, in which they were claiming unspecified damages, the McCanns said that the story was understood to mean that they had hindered "the search for [Madeleine] and the investigation into her disappearance by allowing the trail to go cold".

They said that the story led to them having “suffered serious damage to their reputations and severe embarrassment and distress”.

They also claimed that the paper's Insight team, which wrote the story, had not told their spokesman the full extent of the allegations which were to be made against them.

The McCanns also said that the story did not include several points made to Insight by their spokesman. They said this denied them "a proper opportunity to inform the readers of The Sunday Times of the falsity of the allegations against them".

On 1 November, the couple sent editor Martin Ivens an email headed: “Complaint letter – urgent”.

They said that the email, outlining what was wrong with the story with a “detailed rebuttal”, was responded to by executive editor Bob Tyrer six days later.

The McCanns said in their claim form that he told them “we could have made some facts clearer in the story” and that “we could have published more of your pre-publication statement” but largely rejected their complaint.

They said Tyrer offered them “three limited revisions” to the online article, publication of the statement from their spokesman and “an extremely limited” clarification in the corrections and clarifications column.

On 8 November Gerry McCann wrote back noting his disappointment that the article remained online and he pointed to the readers’ comments below.

The McCanns then consulted lawyers Carter Ruck, who wrote to The Sunday Times on 15 November “with proposed wording for an apology”.

The Sunday Times published the following apology on 28 December:

In articles dated October 27 ("Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years" and "Investigators had E-Fits five years ago", News) we referred to efits which were included in a report prepared by private investigators for the McCanns and the Fund in 2008. We accept that the articles may have been understood to suggest that the McCanns had withheld information from the authorities. This was not the case. We now understand and accept that the efits had been provided to the Portuguese and Leicestershire police by October 2009. We also understand that a copy of the final report including the efits was passed to the Metropolitan police in August 2011, shortly after it commenced its review. We apologise for the distress caused."


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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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October 2009 is right (for when the McCanns passed the e-fits to the Met.)

We know that at the end of January 2008, Martin Smith had been approached by Brian Kennedy to produce an e-fit, but refused.

It is common sense that all the time he thought the man he and his family saw was Gerry, he would refuse.

Why did he change his mind?

And who is supposed to have 'hidden' what for 5 years?

If, indeed, the Smiths saw Madeleine's abductor, that was not considered a strong enough lead to warrant continuation of  the investigation?

The McCanns could not, in all conscience, publicise, quite possibly, an e-fit of Madeleine's abductor other than in the context of a live and on-going police enquiry.