The Lies of Jeremy Bamber

[Tim Invictus]

If Bamber confessed to the murders there would still be cranks supporting him and they would be exploring all the ways he was driven to murder by his relatives, upbringing, addoption or some other rubbish!

Perhaps Buddy could explain to us how Bamber's fans and supporters manage to twist all the evidence and Bamber's appallingly callous and criminal behaviour (aside from his murders) into police corruption and/or the relatives greed! Buddy do you send Jeremy money and stamps and perhaps have a few pictures of a young Jeremy up on your bedroom wall? Just wondered!   

[starryian]

If Bamber confessed to the murders there would still be cranks supporting him and they would be exploring all the ways he was driven to murder by his relatives, upbringing, addoption or some other rubbish!

Perhaps Buddy could explain to us how Bamber's fans and supporters manage to twist all the evidence and Bamber's appallingly callous and criminal behaviour (aside from his murders) into police corruption and/or the relatives greed! Buddy do you send Jeremy money and stamps and perhaps have a few pictures of a young Jeremy up on your bedroom wall? Just wondered!   

Totally agreed Tim. I believe that even if Bamber were to confess, his supporters would say that he 'only confessed under duress' 'He had no choice but to confess' there would be no end to it.
Bamber  cannot be guilty, no matter how much evidence, no matter who has testified to prove otherwise, no matter what other plausible explanations have be put forward - they will not ever see him as guilty. I also think there is alot of pride going on here. After such a length of time, after swearing blind that this man is innocent, after countless hours on the internet to try to persuade others, they just cannot bring themselves to accept that he may be guilty. There are some brave souls that have had the guts to acknowledge they have been mislead or simply come to the wrong conclusions  -  such as journalist Bob Woffinden and have switched sides. These are people that deserve our praise and utmost repect.

[Dillon]

If Bamber confessed to the murders there would still be cranks supporting him and they would be exploring all the ways he was driven to murder by his relatives, upbringing, addoption or some other rubbish!

Perhaps Buddy could explain to us how Bamber's fans and supporters manage to twist all the evidence and Bamber's appallingly callous and criminal behaviour (aside from his murders) into police corruption and/or the relatives greed! Buddy do you send Jeremy money and stamps and perhaps have a few pictures of a young Jeremy up on your bedroom wall? Just wondered!   

Nicely put , Tim. I did have a little fantasy in which I imagined that members of the JB Cult had little personal shrines at home at which they worshipped morning, noon and evening. " We love you Jeremy . We beleive in you. You are snow white innocent. The vile unbeleivers will be overcome and one day you will be free to walk on a little beach in Dorset. " Can they smuggle locks of his hair out of prison before it all falls out ?

It smacks of other weird cults such as the Rev Moon.  I am not sure that any amount of rational analysis of the case will ever convince some of them and they will continue to bang on about how alterations in her medication could have triggered a psychotic episode in Sheila despite all the forensic evidence that she could not have been the killer. Everything that I have heard from reliable sources indicate that she was displaying no signs of an impending psychotic catastrophe in the hours prior to the massacre. I have had quite a lot of experience of dealing with such episodes both in institutions and in community settings. Mostly these have been wild chaotic episodes, not involving cool, calculating use of a rifle; a type of weapon Sheila had little if any experience of using. If she had gone beserk and started stabbing people with the kitchen knives, then that might have made more sense, but of course she did not. 

[Tim Invictus]

It's quite beyond me how any reasonably intelligent person who has read the main points of evidence can possibly reach the conclusion that Bamber is innocent.

There can be no doubt either Bamber or Sheila committed the murders. There is a mountain of evidence that Sheila couldn't have done it so the only logical conclusion is that Bamber must have. Nuff said.

[Angelo222]

It's quite beyond me how any reasonably intelligent person who has read the main points of evidence can possibly reach the conclusion that Bamber is innocent.

There can be no doubt either Bamber or Sheila committed the murders. There is a mountain of evidence that Sheila couldn't have done it so the only logical conclusion is that Bamber must have. Nuff said.

Good post Tim.  Everything I read about Jeremy bamber oozes guilt.   I personally believe that his campaign team have hit a brick wall and can offer nothing more to help him.  I also think that they too are having doubts about him after the excellent work done by everyone on this forum.  No wonder Craigie ran off with his tail between his legs!

[Angelo222]

If Bamber confessed to the murders there would still be cranks supporting him and they would be exploring all the ways he was driven to murder by his relatives, upbringing, addoption or some other rubbish!

Perhaps Buddy could explain to us how Bamber's fans and supporters manage to twist all the evidence and Bamber's appallingly callous and criminal behaviour (aside from his murders) into police corruption and/or the relatives greed! Buddy do you send Jeremy money and stamps and perhaps have a few pictures of a young Jeremy up on your bedroom wall? Just wondered!   

Nicely put , Tim. I did have a little fantasy in which I imagined that members of the JB Cult had little personal shrines at home at which they worshipped morning, noon and evening. " We love you Jeremy . We beleive in you. You are snow white innocent. The vile unbeleivers will be overcome and one day you will be free to walk on a little beach in Dorset. " Can they smuggle locks of his hair out of prison before it all falls out ?

It smacks of other weird cults such as the Rev Moon.  I am not sure that any amount of rational analysis of the case will ever convince some of them and they will continue to bang on about how alterations in her medication could have triggered a psychotic episode in Sheila despite all the forensic evidence that she could not have been the killer. Everything that I have heard from reliable sources indicate that she was displaying no signs of an impending psychotic catastrophe in the hours prior to the massacre. I have had quite a lot of experience of dealing with such episodes both in institutions and in community settings. Mostly these have been wild chaotic episodes, not involving cool, calculating use of a rifle; a type of weapon Sheila had little if any experience of using. If she had gone beserk and started stabbing people with the kitchen knives, then that might have made more sense, but of course she did not.

Excellent post Dillon.  Shelia may have been many things but she wasn't  gun savvy like Jeremy Bamber.

[Angelo222]

If Bamber confessed to the murders there would still be cranks supporting him and they would be exploring all the ways he was driven to murder by his relatives, upbringing, addoption or some other rubbish!

Perhaps Buddy could explain to us how Bamber's fans and supporters manage to twist all the evidence and Bamber's appallingly callous and criminal behaviour (aside from his murders) into police corruption and/or the relatives greed! Buddy do you send Jeremy money and stamps and perhaps have a few pictures of a young Jeremy up on your bedroom wall? Just wondered!   

Totally agreed Tim. I believe that even if Bamber were to confess, his supporters would say that he 'only confessed under duress' 'He had no choice but to confess' there would be no end to it.
Bamber  cannot be guilty, no matter how much evidence, no matter who has testified to prove otherwise, no matter what other plausible explanations have be put forward - they will not ever see him as guilty. I also think there is alot of pride going on here. After such a length of time, after swearing blind that this man is innocent, after countless hours on the internet to try to persuade others, they just cannot bring themselves to accept that he may be guilty. There are some brave souls that have had the guts to acknowledge they have been mislead or simply come to the wrong conclusions  -  such as journalist Bob Woffinden and have switched sides. These are people that deserve our praise and utmost repect.

There aren't many who have gone the other way and started out thinking he was innocent only to change their mind to guilty?  That speaks for itself IMO.

[Joanne]

I was one who thought he was almost certainly innocent, I even used to write to him. As I mentioned somewhere else, all the programmes and most of the media reports I have seen say Jeremy Bamber is a miscarriage of justice. it is only when you come to a site like this that put across evidence and statements across that it becomes obvious that Jeremy did it. I fee really bad for disrespecting Sheila and blaming her for murdering her own children I thought she was a paranoid schizophrenic who didn't take her medicine and thought her children were the devil. Thats so awful on my part. Jeremy is a clever, manipulating guy. To do this in the manner he did it to totally make it look like he couldn't have done it makes him even more evil and thats why I think many people think he hasn't done it because he did it in a clever manner-the phone calls by Neville that were never made, him cycling there so not to be seen going etc. This site needs putting in the main stream so that he can be exposed big time and I think other people who'd been in my position can see.

[Dillon]

Thank you David. I think that a number of posters here are doing a great job debunking the campaign of misinformation put out by Bamber's supporters. IMO it is disgusting to see them continue to corrupt the memories of the VICTIMS of Bamber's slaughter . The latest rubbish on their forum includes the idea that June might also have played a role. I suppose that it will only be a matter of time before they try to blame the twins ! I see that Hartley and Bridget patiently slog away at trying to counter the absurd theorising on the Bamber forum but I fear that they are wasting their time as these people are so obsessed with the idea that Bamber is innocent that their minds are closed. They really ought to be ashamed of themselves for the way in which they defile the reputations of people who cannot answer back.

[Dillon]

I was one who thought he was almost certainly innocent, I even used to write to him. As I mentioned somewhere else, all the programmes and most of the media reports I have seen say Jeremy Bamber is a miscarriage of justice. it is only when you come to a site like this that put across evidence and statements across that it becomes obvious that Jeremy did it. I fee really bad for disrespecting Sheila and blaming her for murdering her own children I thought she was a paranoid schizophrenic who didn't take her medicine and thought her children were the devil. Thats so awful on my part. Jeremy is a clever, manipulating guy. To do this in the manner he did it to totally make it look like he couldn't have done it makes him even more evil and thats why I think many people think he hasn't done it because he did it in a clever manner-the phone calls by Neville that were never made, him cycling there so not to be seen going etc. This site needs putting in the main stream so that he can be exposed big time and I think other people who'd been in my position can see.

  Also, well done Joanne for having the courage and open mindness to acknowledge that your previous opinions were wrong and likewise Andrea and Shona.

[abs]

I think shona has thought all along that Jeremy was guilty, Andrea changed her mind.

[Joanne]

Even JB's own website seems to have issues passing the 2 phone calls off as from different people, it's 'funny' that the audio recordings got destroyed after 28 days. I cannot believe the 999 people would destroy it  8-)(--)
Most crime biographies play the 999/911 calls but not in his case, thats one I've never heard, even Tom cressman's 999 call was played from an attack Jane Andrews did BEFORE he was murdered, so the notion it was lost isn't good. They try to pass it off as destroyed.
How long was it before they arrested JB and said it was murder? Or should I say how long after the murders was it that they realised Sheila hadn't done it and a murder might have occured?

[Dillon]

I think shona has thought all along that Jeremy was guilty, Andrea changed her mind.

Hi ABS, If I got that wrong about Shona I am sorry but in monitoring the Bamber forum, I was impressed by Shona's courageous standing up for Sheila. I guess that you still feel that Sheila was capable of the murders.
From what I know, I think that the severity of her mental health problems has been much exagerated . She had quite a rough deal from her husband but I do not want to slag him off as he suffered a terrible loss. I know how difficult it is to bring up children as a single Mum, the more so with twins, so imo her mental health problems are understandable.  I also feel, having had plenty of dealings with psychiatrists, that some of their assessments should be treated with caution !  I suspect too that the bit about being the child of the Devil etc has been taken out of context. My understanding is that June found her in the field having sex with Colin not long after Sheila had already had a termination, so would not have needed to be hyper religious to be pretty cross 

I do respect the fact that you present your arguments in a couteous way but I really think that you need to consider how the forensic evidence makes it highly unlikely that she was the perpetrator.

[puglove]

But who is in prison in this veiw? jeremy with the support of the fathfull or fatcat lords who can feast on mc at will but are trapped in their own minds

[goatboy]

When I was new to the case at first I was shocked at the fact Bamber was convicted with so little direct evidence of his having been at the scene. However, the fact is either Bamber really did receive a phone call from his father in the middle of the night or he didn't. And if he didn't and he knew something was wrong at the farm then he must have been responsible. The story about Sheila going beserk with the gun was highly unlikely. The murderer must have had a vicious struggle with Neville Bamber but Sheila showed no signs of this. She had no signs of blood spatter on her other than her own. Despite having fired 25 rounds and having to reload at least twice she had perfectly manicured nails. She was very inexperienced with firearms yet managed to hit the target almost every time. So if we take the view that for this and other reasons she could not have committed the murders Jeremy by lying about receiving a phone call must have been the murderer. QED. The silencer evidence and Julie's testimony tie the whole thing together neatly. Circumstantial evidence is just that, but when so many pieces of evidence point to the same thing there are only so many coincidences that there could be. If Jeremy was not the murderer he is the unluckiest person in the world to have so many coincidental factors indicating his guilt.