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Offline starryian

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #150 on: June 27, 2012, 09:09:30 PM »
Cath. Thank you for your response to my post of yesterday re NGB's motivation. I was being a tiny bit tongue in cheek and I hope that you do not think that I was getting at you. He gets up my nose too ! I don't go with the altruistic option. However, his posts are usually polite and literate so he appears to have more credibility then some of the other Bamber forum posters who seem to get quite agitated at the suggestion that their icon might not be the innocent victim of the greatest MOJ ever.

As for the silencer being on or off for the final shot to Sheila I do not know. Myster makes a good point. I bet by then Bamber was finding it hard to think straight. Absolute mayhem. His big lie to use Sheila as the scapegoat depended on the availability of the .22 but then he found that multiple shots were required to slaughter his victims
and worse still his father was still alive. He must have been in a desperate state of mind having to resort to battering Nevill into unconsciousness with the butt of the rifle . The great plan was falling apart by that stage and if he really was wearing a wetsuit, which personally I doubt, he would have been in a lather of sweat and finding hard to think straight. I doubt if by then he would have been capable of cooly calculating his next move. IMO but only Bamber knows.
Good points Dillon. It was the scapegoat thing that really settled Bambers hash. He felt that he had to provide this scapegoat with sugar on it - hence the elaborate staging of Sheila's body and the bogus distressed phone call from his father. the 'my sister's a nutter' act outside the farmhouse with police.
If Bamber had murdered them, disposed of the silencer, not attempted to pose Sheila's body in such an obvious way and let someone else find the bodies it may have been a very different outcome for him. As it was, I think you are absolutely right. He panicked and started to make mistakes. I also think that he rushed it after the unexpected fight in the kitchen. He must have been well aware that farm worker Len Foakes, lived a short distance away and may have heard the commotion coming from the kitchen. It must have been on his mind that Foakes could be making a call to the police at that very moment. It is at this stage I believe he rushed things and in so doing, made some serious blunders. He had, for example forgotten to replace the sink tidy and washing up liquid bottle which had been moved aside from its usual place on the the draining board where he had climbed in that night through the fanlight. He had clean forgotten to replace them where they were before he climbed out again and tapped the window to make the latch fall back into place.. It was noticed the shortly after by farm secretary Barbara Wilson.
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cathiethesceptic

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Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #151 on: June 27, 2012, 09:12:56 PM »
Yes thats exactly what I was trying to say,Ian
Also i agree that he didn't need the moderator for the last shot of all,to Sheila, as there was now nobody left to hear him doing his foul deeds.
The last few days posts from you guys has laid to rest any miniscule bit of doubt I may have had before I came on here.
In some ways I would have preferred it to have been Sheila the perp,as it would have redeemable if she was the victim of mental illness.But,now I seeit as almost impossible to clear Bamber  --  and,it is without a doubt one of the most vile crimes imagineable

Dillon,I'm so glad NGB gets up your nose too  --  smug,know-it-all,fat-cat barristers are a particular bugbear of mine LOL!!
Michael Mansfield rocks though !

Offline starryian

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #152 on: June 27, 2012, 09:24:00 PM »
Yes thats exactly what I was trying to say,Ian
Also i agree that he didn't need the moderator for the last shot of all,to Sheila, as there was now nobody left to hear him doing his foul deeds.
The last few days posts from you guys has laid to rest any miniscule bit of doubt I may have had before I came on here.
In some ways I would have preferred it to have been Sheila the perp,as it would have redeemable if she was the victim of mental illness.But,now I seeit as almost impossible to clear Bamber  --  and,it is without a doubt one of the most vile crimes imagineable

Dillon,I'm so glad NGB gets up your nose too  --  smug,know-it-all,fat-cat barristers are a particular bugbear of mine LOL!!
Michael Mansfield rocks though !
Yes well said Cathy. This is one of the vilest crimes imaginable. Committed by a person worthy of that deed. Bamber is a primary psychopath. He is evil right through to the core. Other human beings mean nothing to him, only insofar as what he can extract out of them. In short, the man is a complete and utter waste of oxygen. His existence on this earth took the lives of five very innocent and good souls coupled with the untold psychological damage caused to others- which I hasten to add - he is still doing. I have nothing but sheer contempt for this evil, repugnant animal.

I hope I didn't sugar coat that too much there Cathy  8(0(*    8((()*/
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cathiethesceptic

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Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #153 on: June 27, 2012, 09:35:08 PM »
Think you were a bit understated there,Ian  --  I would have used less flowery terms  -- like: 'hanging? thats to good for him' hahaha that will get old Roch from Bamber fans inc. going!seriously though I do think Bamber has taken an inordinate amount of the CCRC's time,meanwhile seemingly more worthy cases,eg Simon Hall are left to rot and,thats 1 of the many things that are so unjust about the current way of dealing with MOJs

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Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #154 on: June 27, 2012, 09:44:33 PM »
Spot on again starryian. I know how Bamber has made it difficult for good people to get on with their lives because they had the temerity to thwart him. Hence ill founded civil action against relatives, abusive letters, horrible defamation of people who they had loved, in particular Sheila, generating unwanted media attention to them and their families etc. All sorts of people have suffered. Police officers, lawyers, Julie Mugford, her friends and family,
Colin Caffell and his family. It is a disgrace that this is still going on after all these years and that self interested individuals like NGB are acting as enablers for this evil, scheming psychopath sitting comfortably in his cell at Full Sutton. Time for the prison authorities to restrict his access and capacity to mastermind  this endless vengeful campaign. Sorry if I sound angry but I am and have had first hand insight into the harm he has done.   

cathiethesceptic

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Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #155 on: June 27, 2012, 09:55:43 PM »
So very true,Dillon,I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to have had something like that happen to your relatives and you keep being harrassed by the person who did this to them.It makes his self righteous whingeings all the more unpalatable...

Still,I am sure that the light is at the end of the tunnel  soon he will no longer be a bogus MOJ,he will no longer have the right tocampaign for his release.Then,I think his supporters will drift away in short order,esp those who are only there to coin a buck

Offline starryian

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #156 on: June 27, 2012, 10:47:48 PM »
So very true,Dillon,I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to have had something like that happen to your relatives and you keep being harrassed by the person who did this to them.It makes his self righteous whingeings all the more unpalatable...

Still,I am sure that the light is at the end of the tunnel  soon he will no longer be a bogus MOJ,he will no longer have the right tocampaign for his release.Then,I think his supporters will drift away in short order,esp those who are only there to coin a buck
Well said Cathy. I would very much like to see a review on how Category A prisoners are allowed inordinate amounts of access to the media and increasingly excessive personal liberties. Considering that prison, by it's very nature and definition is a institution built to severely restrict or at least curtail the liberties (civil and personal) of law breakers then this kind of flagrant disregard makes a total mockery of the purpose of both the Prison System and Criminal Justice System.
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Offline Tim Invictus

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #157 on: June 27, 2012, 10:50:07 PM »
Excellent posts folks!!!

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Offline John

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #158 on: June 28, 2012, 01:03:04 AM »
I wonder if the police ever checked the drains or the towels at White House Farm for blood?  Jeremy could have easily showered at the farmhouse before leaving.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline puglove

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #159 on: June 28, 2012, 01:06:50 AM »
I wonder if the police ever checked the drains or the towels at White House Farm for blood?  Jeremy could have easily showered at the farmhouse before leaving.

Maybe he just wore cow-gowns, like a farm-worker would. He wasn't investigated for weeks, he could have disposed of them.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

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Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #160 on: June 28, 2012, 01:08:43 AM »
Spot on again starryian. I know how Bamber has made it difficult for good people to get on with their lives because they had the temerity to thwart him. Hence ill founded civil action against relatives, abusive letters, horrible defamation of people who they had loved, in particular Sheila, generating unwanted media attention to them and their families etc. All sorts of people have suffered. Police officers, lawyers, Julie Mugford, her friends and family,
Colin Caffell and his family. It is a disgrace that this is still going on after all these years and that self interested individuals like NGB are acting as enablers for this evil, scheming psychopath sitting comfortably in his cell at Full Sutton. Time for the prison authorities to restrict his access and capacity to mastermind  this endless vengeful campaign. Sorry if I sound angry but I am and have had first hand insight into the harm he has done.

I agree Dillon.   There can be little or no closure for anyone affected by the crime until this whole thing is brought to an end.  Raking up Julie Smerchanski's past is totally unacceptable to my mind.  Hint Jackie!   8)--))
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline puglove

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #161 on: June 28, 2012, 01:14:17 AM »
And why would Crispy bark? She was a spoilt old lap dog, asleep on the bed next to June, wrapped up in blankets. She wouldn't have barked. She would hardly have raised an alarm.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline starryian

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #162 on: June 28, 2012, 08:14:10 AM »
I wonder if the police ever checked the drains or the towels at White House Farm for blood?  Jeremy could have easily showered at the farmhouse before leaving.
What what I understand John, sadly no such search took place other than a cursory search around the house and farm. But it did yield some interesting results though. A rusty hacksaw blade was discovered outside the back of the house. It was thought by Stan Jones that this blade was the one that Bamber used to slip the catch on the fanlight window in order to gain access to the house that night.
A wetsuit top was also discovered in the grounds. Exactly why it was there has been the subject of some discussion.
I think that Bamber did shower at the farm that night. He may well have been wearing the wetsuit top (Robert Boutflour certainly seemed to think so) and washed the blood off of that.
The greatest faux pas by the police was allowing themselves to belive the scenario put forward to Bamber outside the farmhouse on the night of the murders. He also manipulated the police into burning much of the evidence. ' I really cannot face going in their with what's happen' kind of thing. Bonfires were lit, vital evidence was burnt and Bamber's whims were indulged. Bamber had scored another home run - he had gotten the police to burn the very evidence that, if looked at with trained eyes, may have pointed to him as the killer.
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Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #163 on: June 29, 2012, 08:15:39 AM »
I wonder if the police ever checked the drains or the towels at White House Farm for blood?  Jeremy could have easily showered at the farmhouse before leaving.
What what I understand John, sadly no such search took place other than a cursory search around the house and farm. But it did yield some interesting results though. A rusty hacksaw blade was discovered outside the back of the house. It was thought by Stan Jones that this blade was the one that Bamber used to slip the catch on the fanlight window in order to gain access to the house that night.
A wetsuit top was also discovered in the grounds. Exactly why it was there has been the subject of some discussion.
I think that Bamber did shower at the farm that night. He may well have been wearing the wetsuit top (Robert Boutflour certainly seemed to think so) and washed the blood off of that.
The greatest faux pas by the police was allowing themselves to belive the scenario put forward to Bamber outside the farmhouse on the night of the murders. He also manipulated the police into burning much of the evidence. ' I really cannot face going in their with what's happen' kind of thing. Bonfires were lit, vital evidence was burnt and Bamber's whims were indulged. Bamber had scored another home run - he had gotten the police to burn the very evidence that, if looked at with trained eyes, may have pointed to him as the killer.

Ian, have you seen on the blue forum they are using the burning of bloodstained clothing/bedding by the police as proof of a conspiracy and cover up? The fact is the police were so convinced by his story they were quite happy to dispose of this to help a man who had lost his entire family in tragic circumstances, and the consensus was that it was an open and shut case. Jeremy asked them to do this, they were willing to comply. You're right about his being manipulative. If I was innocent in his position and the police suggested doing such a thing I would question them as to whether or not it was right to destroy evidence. There is nothing to suggest Bamber discouraged them from this.

Offline starryian

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #164 on: June 29, 2012, 09:39:36 AM »
I wonder if the police ever checked the drains or the towels at White House Farm for blood?  Jeremy could have easily showered at the farmhouse before leaving.
What what I understand John, sadly no such search took place other than a cursory search around the house and farm. But it did yield some interesting results though. A rusty hacksaw blade was discovered outside the back of the house. It was thought by Stan Jones that this blade was the one that Bamber used to slip the catch on the fanlight window in order to gain access to the house that night.
A wetsuit top was also discovered in the grounds. Exactly why it was there has been the subject of some discussion.
I think that Bamber did shower at the farm that night. He may well have been wearing the wetsuit top (Robert Boutflour certainly seemed to think so) and washed the blood off of that.
The greatest faux pas by the police was allowing themselves to belive the scenario put forward to Bamber outside the farmhouse on the night of the murders. He also manipulated the police into burning much of the evidence. ' I really cannot face going in their with what's happen' kind of thing. Bonfires were lit, vital evidence was burnt and Bamber's whims were indulged. Bamber had scored another home run - he had gotten the police to burn the very evidence that, if looked at with trained eyes, may have pointed to him as the killer.

Ian, have you seen on the blue forum they are using the burning of bloodstained clothing/bedding by the police as proof of a conspiracy and cover up? The fact is the police were so convinced by his story they were quite happy to dispose of this to help a man who had lost his entire family in tragic circumstances, and the consensus was that it was an open and shut case. Jeremy asked them to do this, they were willing to comply. You're right about his being manipulative. If I was innocent in his position and the police suggested doing such a thing I would question them as to whether or not it was right to destroy evidence. There is nothing to suggest Bamber discouraged them from this.
An excellent observation Goatboy. I did see that post and gaffawed at the utter hypocrisy of it. It was I believe Bamber himself, who asked police to dispose of the items. The police burnt mattrasses, blankets, sheets, all manner of vital evidence at Bamber's request. He suggested it I believe because he 'couldnt bare going in to the house' Yes.........right Jeremy we'll believe that one, the day when we have our brains replaced with a cauliflower.
This does show you how devious, calculating and manipulative Bamber really is. He was always one ot two steps ahead of the police. Stan Smith a resident English teacher inside prison had this to say for his student.
'I always thought that his interest in me was not to learn but to get something out of me. His interest in the class was not so much self-expression, but get someone to assist him with his case. I don't know what he thought I could do for him. There was nothing I could do. I expect he thought........'writer, he has access to the media' I had the sense that I was being manipulated in order for him to get his case heard.. I was told that when prisoners deny responsibility for their crimes that person is one of two things........1.He really is innocent............or, 2. and far more likely he is a psychopath. I certainly do not think he is innocent so that leaves only one conclusion'
This brings me to my last point. Psychopaths such as Bamber pose a very real threat to not only other prisoners, but also to well-meaning but very naive people on the outside. They are an attractive target for psychopaths looking to manipulate their way out of prison. They can often manipulate these people into handing over cash for appeals or lawyers fees, research etc. They can also con them into doing their bidding on the outside by encouraging them into trying to convince others that he is innocent also. So the cycle begins. The victims of these scams are often disposed of as soon as they have fulfilled their usefulness. The victim will be often feel traumatised by the experience. They often feel used, betrayed, hurt and emotionally devastated and unable to trust others.
I feel that the Criminal Justice System must look at this very real threat posed by psychopaths are their ilk. It is after all, their reponsibility to ensure that these monsters never again prey on innocent people. 8((()*/
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