The Lies of Jeremy Bamber

[starryian]

Bamber has tried to explain how he left the gun leaning against the wall...explaining away how his fingerprints came to be on the gun and knew that if his hands were checked for powder residue, he could say that he had used the gun to shoot rabbits...BUT, and here's the rub ,the rabbits had scarpered....If one is to believe - and there is no reason not to - the witness statements for Nevil Bamber and his respect for guns, he would never have allowed a gun to be left where his two small grandchildren could reach it. Nevil, a very responsible and careful man would never have allowed this to happen.
It is now common knowledge that Nevill Bamber kept a selection of guns and rifles, had there only been the one rifle. Jeremy could have said he replaced it back in the gun cupboard where Nevil kept the gun safe and locked away BUT he could not do this, it had to be the same gun he had fired. Jeremy had no way of knowing the police would believe his story and knew that he himself may come under suspicion. The only way he could overcome this was to say he had left the gun lying around implying Sheila picked it up to kill her boys , her children who meant everything to her. I submit that Bamber hid the rifle - possible in the downstairs toilet for two reasons. 1. Out of the sight of careful Nevil who may have placed the gun into the cupboard.
2. He would have easy access once he had gained entry to the house.
Both of these points avoided a possible confrontation with Nevil if Jeremy had to sneak to the gun cupboard from the access point in the kitchen and risked being overheard by the ever-vigilant June.
Coincidently Bamber never expressed any sign of guilt nor remorse at his own story of leaving a loaded rifle in plain sight of two small children. David Boutflour listened to Jeremy tell this story to police at his cottage after the killings and stated that when he heard this story 'I thought to myself how incredibly careless that he left a rifle out with two small boys in the house'

[abs]

I don´t want to start a new thread about this question I have.
Is there any record of Jeremy´s reaction to the destruction in 1996 of all physical evidence from the WHF murders?

[Tim Invictus]

I don´t want to start a new thread about this question I have.
Is there any record of Jeremy´s reaction to the destruction in 1996 of all physical evidence from the WHF murders?

I believe Bamber made a complaint directly about that to the police complaints authority. It was investigated and Essex Police told they shouldn't have destroyed the evidence.

[abs]

I don´t want to start a new thread about this question I have.
Is there any record of Jeremy´s reaction to the destruction in 1996 of all physical evidence from the WHF murders?

I believe Bamber made a complaint directly about that to the police complaints authority. It was investigated and Essex Police told they shouldn't have destroyed the evidence.

Thanks - it is an important point. If Jeremy is guilty, he would be relieved, if not, he would be furious.
If the EP had not destroyed the evidence, we would be so much wiser, and I cannot help wondering why they did that at exactly the time when there were major breakthroughs in DNA science.

[ActualMat]

I don´t want to start a new thread about this question I have.
Is there any record of Jeremy´s reaction to the destruction in 1996 of all physical evidence from the WHF murders?

I believe Bamber made a complaint directly about that to the police complaints authority. It was investigated and Essex Police told they shouldn't have destroyed the evidence.

Thanks - it is an important point. If Jeremy is guilty, he would be relieved, if not, he would be furious.
If the EP had not destroyed the evidence, we would be so much wiser, and I cannot help wondering why they did that at exactly the time when there were major breakthroughs in DNA science.

Big mistake by the police, they were blind at this time though and believed the carefully spun lies by Bamber. Bamaber has complained that they burnt the evidence.. but secretly he must have been loving it!

[starryian]

I don´t want to start a new thread about this question I have.
Is there any record of Jeremy´s reaction to the destruction in 1996 of all physical evidence from the WHF murders?

I believe Bamber made a complaint directly about that to the police complaints authority. It was investigated and Essex Police told they shouldn't have destroyed the evidence.

Thanks - it is an important point. If Jeremy is guilty, he would be relieved, if not, he would be furious.
If the EP had not destroyed the evidence, we would be so much wiser, and I cannot help wondering why they did that at exactly the time when there were major breakthroughs in DNA science.

Big mistake by the police, they were blind at this time though and believed the carefully spun lies by Bamber. Bamaber has complained that they burnt the evidence.. but secretly he must have been loving it!

Quite right Mat. This is the way Bamber thinks. To understand Bamber it is important to see his actions as reverse psychology. The psychopath knows inside that the evidence would probably have put paid to any attempt at release. So therefore he does the exact opposite in the hope that it would be seen as further evidence of his innocence - reverse psychology. Psychopaths such as Bamber use this all the time. It is akin to the killers that have joined in the search for their victims - remember Ian Huntley?. He was seen on camera saying that his was the 'last friendly face the girls saw' before their disappearence. Worming his way into the police investigation - seen to be doing the upmost to catch the 'killer' when all the time he was reading the police response, asking questions about who they thought the killer was and basically showing a concerned demenour. Classic reverse psychology.
Jeremy Bamber is adept at employing the technique.

[Angelo222]

I don´t want to start a new thread about this question I have.
Is there any record of Jeremy´s reaction to the destruction in 1996 of all physical evidence from the WHF murders?

I believe Bamber made a complaint directly about that to the police complaints authority. It was investigated and Essex Police told they shouldn't have destroyed the evidence.

Thanks - it is an important point. If Jeremy is guilty, he would be relieved, if not, he would be furious.
If the EP had not destroyed the evidence, we would be so much wiser, and I cannot help wondering why they did that at exactly the time when there were major breakthroughs in DNA science.

Big mistake by the police, they were blind at this time though and believed the carefully spun lies by Bamber. Bamaber has complained that they burnt the evidence.. but secretly he must have been loving it!

Quite right Mat. This is the way Bamber thinks. To understand Bamber it is important tosee his actions as reverse psychology. The psychopath knows inside that the evidence would probably have put paid to any attempt at release. So therefore he does the exact opposite in the hope that it would be seen as further evidence of his innocence - reverse psychology. Psychopaths such as Bamber use this all the time. It is akin to the killers that have joined in the search for their victims - remember Ian Huntley?. He was seen on camera saying that his was the 'last friendly face the girls saw' before their disappearence. Worming his way into the police investigation - seen to be doing the upmost to catch the 'killer' when all the time he was reading the police response, asking questions about who they thought the killer was and basically showing a concerned demenour. Classic reverse psychology.
Jeremy Bamber is adept at employing the technique.

I took the chance to do some research recently and had a read of some of the letters which Jeremy Bamber wrote to Mike Tesco and Jackie Preece.  The common theme which runs through every single letter is the boast that he will be out very soon, that he has found new evidence and how wonderful they all are.  Jesus they must be thick f..kers to believe that shite.  Just saying mind!

He is an expert manipulator just like those other psychos like Ian Brady.

[ActualMat]

I don´t want to start a new thread about this question I have.
Is there any record of Jeremy´s reaction to the destruction in 1996 of all physical evidence from the WHF murders?

I believe Bamber made a complaint directly about that to the police complaints authority. It was investigated and Essex Police told they shouldn't have destroyed the evidence.

Thanks - it is an important point. If Jeremy is guilty, he would be relieved, if not, he would be furious.
If the EP had not destroyed the evidence, we would be so much wiser, and I cannot help wondering why they did that at exactly the time when there were major breakthroughs in DNA science.

Big mistake by the police, they were blind at this time though and believed the carefully spun lies by Bamber. Bamaber has complained that they burnt the evidence.. but secretly he must have been loving it!

Quite right Mat. This is the way Bamber thinks. To understand Bamber it is important tosee his actions as reverse psychology. The psychopath knows inside that the evidence would probably have put paid to any attempt at release. So therefore he does the exact opposite in the hope that it would be seen as further evidence of his innocence - reverse psychology. Psychopaths such as Bamber use this all the time. It is akin to the killers that have joined in the search for their victims - remember Ian Huntley?. He was seen on camera saying that his was the 'last friendly face the girls saw' before their disappearence. Worming his way into the police investigation - seen to be doing the upmost to catch the 'killer' when all the time he was reading the police response, asking questions about who they thought the killer was and basically showing a concerned demenour. Classic reverse psychology.
Jeremy Bamber is adept at employing the technique.

Exactly, it's very see through, I am constantly suprised how many people still follow Bamber....

I don´t want to start a new thread about this question I have.
Is there any record of Jeremy´s reaction to the destruction in 1996 of all physical evidence from the WHF murders?

I believe Bamber made a complaint directly about that to the police complaints authority. It was investigated and Essex Police told they shouldn't have destroyed the evidence.

Thanks - it is an important point. If Jeremy is guilty, he would be relieved, if not, he would be furious.
If the EP had not destroyed the evidence, we would be so much wiser, and I cannot help wondering why they did that at exactly the time when there were major breakthroughs in DNA science.

Big mistake by the police, they were blind at this time though and believed the carefully spun lies by Bamber. Bamaber has complained that they burnt the evidence.. but secretly he must have been loving it!

Quite right Mat. This is the way Bamber thinks. To understand Bamber it is important tosee his actions as reverse psychology. The psychopath knows inside that the evidence would probably have put paid to any attempt at release. So therefore he does the exact opposite in the hope that it would be seen as further evidence of his innocence - reverse psychology. Psychopaths such as Bamber use this all the time. It is akin to the killers that have joined in the search for their victims - remember Ian Huntley?. He was seen on camera saying that his was the 'last friendly face the girls saw' before their disappearence. Worming his way into the police investigation - seen to be doing the upmost to catch the 'killer' when all the time he was reading the police response, asking questions about who they thought the killer was and basically showing a concerned demenour. Classic reverse psychology.
Jeremy Bamber is adept at employing the technique.

I took the chance to do some research recently and had a read of some of the letters which Jeremy Bamber wrote to Mike Tesco and Jackie Preece.  The common theme which runs through every single letter is the boast that he will be out very soon, that he has found new evidence and how wonderful they all are.  Jesus they must be thick f..kers to believe that shite.  Just saying mind!

He is an expert manipulator just like those other psychos like Ian Brady.

I noticed this too, Bamber is so sure he is gonig to get out, for years he has been constantly saying there is no evidence, new people have come forward... just a matter of time now..surely even he has to know it's all a big joke.

[Tim Invictus]

I don´t want to start a new thread about this question I have.
Is there any record of Jeremy´s reaction to the destruction in 1996 of all physical evidence from the WHF murders?

I believe Bamber made a complaint directly about that to the police complaints authority. It was investigated and Essex Police told they shouldn't have destroyed the evidence.

Thanks - it is an important point. If Jeremy is guilty, he would be relieved, if not, he would be furious.
If the EP had not destroyed the evidence, we would be so much wiser, and I cannot help wondering why they did that at exactly the time when there were major breakthroughs in DNA science.

Big mistake by the police, they were blind at this time though and believed the carefully spun lies by Bamber. Bamaber has complained that they burnt the evidence.. but secretly he must have been loving it!

Quite right Mat. This is the way Bamber thinks. To understand Bamber it is important tosee his actions as reverse psychology. The psychopath knows inside that the evidence would probably have put paid to any attempt at release. So therefore he does the exact opposite in the hope that it would be seen as further evidence of his innocence - reverse psychology. Psychopaths such as Bamber use this all the time. It is akin to the killers that have joined in the search for their victims - remember Ian Huntley?. He was seen on camera saying that his was the 'last friendly face the girls saw' before their disappearence. Worming his way into the police investigation - seen to be doing the upmost to catch the 'killer' when all the time he was reading the police response, asking questions about who they thought the killer was and basically showing a concerned demenour. Classic reverse psychology.
Jeremy Bamber is adept at employing the technique.

I took the chance to do some research recently and had a read of some of the letters which Jeremy Bamber wrote to Mike Tesco and Jackie Preece.  The common theme which runs through every single letter is the boast that he will be out very soon, that he has found new evidence and how wonderful they all are.  Jesus they must be thick f..kers to believe that shite.  Just saying mind!

He is an expert manipulator just like those other psychos like Ian Brady.

Bamber had invited everyone to his huge freedom party after his initial trial and he has never changed that attitude ... it's another sign of his towering arrogance.

I haven't seen any Bamber letters to Jackie ... where can I read those please?

[John]

Bamber had invited everyone to his huge freedom party after his initial trial and he has never changed that attitude ... it's another sign of his towering arrogance.

I haven't seen any Bamber letters to Jackie ... where can I read those please?

I will post them later today Tim when I get back to my office.

[Tim Invictus]

Bamber had invited everyone to his huge freedom party after his initial trial and he has never changed that attitude ... it's another sign of his towering arrogance.

I haven't seen any Bamber letters to Jackie ... where can I read those please?

I will post them later today Tim when I get back to my office.

Cheers mate ... how did we get hold of Bamber's letters to Jackie?

[John]

Bamber had invited everyone to his huge freedom party after his initial trial and he has never changed that attitude ... it's another sign of his towering arrogance.

I haven't seen any Bamber letters to Jackie ... where can I read those please?

I will post them later today Tim when I get back to my office.

Cheers mate ... how did we get hold of Bamber's letters to Jackie?

Jackie posted them on the Bamber forum some time ago and they were never removed.

[Tim Invictus]

Bamber had invited everyone to his huge freedom party after his initial trial and he has never changed that attitude ... it's another sign of his towering arrogance.

I haven't seen any Bamber letters to Jackie ... where can I read those please?

I will post them later today Tim when I get back to my office.

Cheers mate ... how did we get hold of Bamber's letters to Jackie?

Jackie posted them on the Bamber forum some time ago and they were never removed.

Ohh ok ... I don't read over there anymore so I hadn't seem them!

[starryian]

I came across this on the jeremybamber.org site
I am constantly surprised at the skills of some to openly twist what occurred according to the evidence and how they 'see' things. I am all for differences of opinion but this stretches credulity to a new level.
I quote
After DCI Jones was removed as head of the investigation he worked under Supt Ainsley. DCI Jones had to arrest Jeremy Bamber the first time at Moorshead Mansions.  Almost immediately after his arrest and still at the flat Jeremy had blurted out that he had possession of Marijuana and handed some over to Jones.  At interview he easily confessed to burgling the caravan park to prove a point by using a key kept inside the letter box.  He also confessed to cultivating Marijuana in his back garden which he sold to friends.  For someone who owns up to crime so easily, it seems to me that if Jeremy Bamber had committed the killings he would not be able to stop himself from confessing.  Nevertheless, in 27 years there has never been any admission.

Is it me or is it patently obvious that the punishment for the act of murder is far more extensive than it is for a minor burglary? This may have a tinsy-winsy bit to do with the fact that he didn't confess.
Moreover, Jeremy's desire to 'prove security was lacking' I find almost laughable considering he spent the money lavishly on himself, meals and clothes and just didn't happen to tell a single soul about the security situation at the caravan park, makes me think that he just might be lying through his teeth. This, coupled with the fact that the burglary was committed in such a way as to make it look like the work of someone else, probably rang a few alarm bells with some people looking researching the case. Even the most gullible and naive amongst us would have trouble accepting that version of events.
It is a good example of how a narrative can be twisted and perverted in the right (or should that be 'wrong' hands?)
Reading through the articles on jeremybamber.org site one would scarcely believe they were describing the same Jeremy Bamber that we all know and despise. One could be mistaken into thinking they were describing a modern day saint.
It is akin to the right wing historian who once described Adolph Hitler as a 'veritable champion of freedom' and a 'dog-loving artist'

[John]

I came across this on the jeremybamber.org site
I am constantly surprised at the skills of some to openly twist what occurred according to the evidence and how they 'see' things. I am all for differences of opinion but this stretches credulity to a new level.
I quote
After DCI Jones was removed as head of the investigation he worked under Supt Ainsley. DCI Jones had to arrest Jeremy Bamber the first time at Moorshead Mansions.  Almost immediately after his arrest and still at the flat Jeremy had blurted out that he had possession of Marijuana and handed some over to Jones.  At interview he easily confessed to burgling the caravan park to prove a point by using a key kept inside the letter box.  He also confessed to cultivating Marijuana in his back garden which he sold to friends.  For someone who owns up to crime so easily, it seems to me that if Jeremy Bamber had committed the killings he would not be able to stop himself from confessing.  Nevertheless, in 27 years there has never been any admission.

Is it me or is it patently obvious that the punishment for the act of murder is far more extensive than it is for a minor burglary? This may have a tinsy-winsy bit to do with the fact that he didn't confess.
Moreover, Jeremy's desire to 'prove security was lacking' I find almost laughable considering he spent the money lavishly on himself, meals and clothes and just didn't happen to tell a single soul about the security situation at the caravan park, makes me think that he just might be lying through his teeth. This, coupled with the fact that the burglary was committed in such a way as to make it look like the work of someone else, probably rang a few alarm bells with some people looking researching the case. Even the most gullible and naive amongst us would have trouble accepting that version of events.
It is a good example of how a narrative can be twisted and perverted in the right (or should that be 'wrong' hands?)
Reading through the articles on jeremybamber.org site one would scarcely believe they were describing the same Jeremy Bamber that we all know and despise. One could be mistaken into thinking they were describing a modern day saint.
It is akin to the right wing historian who once described Adolph Hitler as a 'veritable champion of freedom' and a 'dog-loving artist'

Nice points Ian.

Bamber had no intention of confessing to anything.  He only confessed to the robbery at Osea because Mugford had dropped him in it.  As for the cannabis plants, well it doesn't take much to work out they were there anyway does it?

Whoever writes that crap on the Bamber site, be it Danni Hammond, Sarah Hanover, Lorna Lake or Mark Cropper, they are obviously easily taken in or deluded.