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Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #225 on: July 05, 2012, 08:45:24 PM »
Like Goatboy I have followed the Bamber forum for some time to try and get some insight into why they are so convinced that he is not guilty. Maybe I am stupid, but I just can't get it. Strangely, I get a sense that some of them are quite nice, well educated people, although there are some notable exceptions. For instance to take the view that he couldn't have been guilty because he did not have a guilty face. Come on ! How naive can you get.
However, barring the wonderfully entertaining kamikazi performance by Marie 27 whoever she/he was and the redcarding of her by the boring old fart of an administrator , visits to the blue forum have become increasingly tedious so I will probably give up.   

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Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #226 on: July 05, 2012, 10:26:23 PM »
Like Goatboy I have followed the Bamber forum for some time to try and get some insight into why they are so convinced that he is not guilty. Maybe I am stupid, but I just can't get it. Strangely, I get a sense that some of them are quite nice, well educated people, although there are some notable exceptions. For instance to take the view that he couldn't have been guilty because he did not have a guilty face. Come on ! How naive can you get.
However, barring the wonderfully entertaining kamikazi performance by Marie 27 whoever she/he was and the redcarding of her by the boring old fart of an administrator , visits to the blue forum have become increasingly tedious so I will probably give up.   
Marie27 is a superstar. Really gave it to them over there {)(** I wonder who she could have been? Any ideas?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #227 on: March 15, 2018, 01:44:48 PM »
What what I understand John, sadly no such search took place other than a cursory search around the house and farm. But it did yield some interesting results though. A rusty hacksaw blade was discovered outside the back of the house. It was thought by Stan Jones that this blade was the one that Bamber used to slip the catch on the fanlight window in order to gain access to the house that night.
A wetsuit top was also discovered in the grounds. Exactly why it was there has been the subject of some discussion.
I think that Bamber did shower at the farm that night. He may well have been wearing the wetsuit top (Robert Boutflour certainly seemed to think so) and washed the blood off of that.
The greatest faux pas by the police was allowing themselves to belive the scenario put forward to Bamber outside the farmhouse on the night of the murders. He also manipulated the police into burning much of the evidence. ' I really cannot face going in their with what's happen' kind of thing. Bonfires were lit, vital evidence was burnt and Bamber's whims were indulged. Bamber had scored another home run - he had gotten the police to burn the very evidence that, if looked at with trained eyes, may have pointed to him as the killer.


Ian, have you seen on the blue forum they are using the burning of bloodstained clothing/bedding by the police as proof of a conspiracy and cover up? The fact is the police were so convinced by his story they were quite happy to dispose of this to help a man who had lost his entire family in tragic circumstances, and the consensus was that it was an open and shut case. Jeremy asked them to do this, they were willing to comply. You're right about his being manipulative. If I was innocent in his position and the police suggested doing such a thing I would question them as to whether or not it was right to destroy evidence. There is nothing to suggest Bamber discouraged them from this.
 An excellent observation Goatboy. I did see that post and gaffawed at the utter hypocrisy of it. It was I believe Bamber himself, who asked police to dispose of the items. The police burnt mattrasses, blankets, sheets, all manner of vital evidence at Bamber's request. He suggested it I believe because he 'couldnt bare going in to the house' Yes.........right Jeremy we'll believe that one, the day when we have our brains replaced with a cauliflower.
This does show you how devious, calculating and manipulative Bamber really is. He was always one ot two steps ahead of the police. Stan Smith a resident English teacher inside prison had this to say for his student.
'I always thought that his interest in me was not to learn but to get something out of me. His interest in the class was not so much self-expression, but get someone to assist him with his case. I don't know what he thought I could do for him. There was nothing I could do. I expect he thought........'writer, he has access to the media' I had the sense that I was being manipulated in order for him to get his case heard.. I was told that when prisoners deny responsibility for their crimes that person is one of two things........1.He really is innocent............or, 2. and far more likely he is a psychopath. I certainly do not think he is innocent so that leaves only one conclusion'
This brings me to my last point. Psychopaths such as Bamber pose a very real threat to not only other prisoners, but also to well-meaning but very naive people on the outside. They are an attractive target for psychopaths looking to manipulate their way out of prison. They can often manipulate these people into handing over cash for appeals or lawyers fees, research etc. They can also con them into doing their bidding on the outside by encouraging them into trying to convince others that he is innocent also. So the cycle begins. The victims of these scams are often disposed of as soon as they have fulfilled their usefulness. The victim will be often feel traumatised by the experience. They often feel used, betrayed, hurt and emotionally devastated and unable to trust others.
I feel that the Criminal Justice System must look at this very real threat posed by psychopaths are their ilk. It is after all, their reponsibility to ensure that these monsters never again prey on innocent people. 8((()*/

Prisons are meant to carry out risk assessments on all prisoners.

These risk assessments are meant to highlight not only the risk factors posed by the prisoners to themselves and others within the prison, they are also meant to protect the public.

From experience, UK prisons are failing

Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline adam

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #228 on: March 17, 2018, 10:37:32 AM »
Like Goatboy I have followed the Bamber forum for some time to try and get some insight into why they are so convinced that he is not guilty. Maybe I am stupid, but I just can't get it. Strangely, I get a sense that some of them are quite nice, well educated people, although there are some notable exceptions. For instance to take the view that he couldn't have been guilty because he did not have a guilty face. Come on ! How naive can you get.
However, barring the wonderfully entertaining kamikazi performance by Marie 27 whoever she/he was and the redcarding of her by the boring old fart of an administrator , visits to the blue forum have become increasingly tedious so I will probably give up.   

There is a new poster on the Blue forum, Nigel. He has teamed up with Mike to free Jeremy.


Offline Nicholas

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #229 on: March 22, 2018, 03:09:00 PM »
Prisons are meant to carry out risk assessments on all prisoners.

These risk assessments are meant to highlight not only the risk factors posed by the prisoners to themselves and others within the prison, they are also meant to protect the public.

From experience, UK prisons are failing

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Jeremy Bambers prison security file is full of complaints made by members of the public.

In 2013/14 a handful of members of the public had contacted the Governor where Simon Hall was incarcerated and made complaints in relation to his behaviour and the behaviour of others (believe it or not)? However all of this information will be noted down and will be used as a factor in relation to the risk a prisoner poses to others etc.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2018, 03:19:01 PM by Stephanie »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline adam

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #230 on: March 23, 2018, 01:50:34 PM »
Hopefully Nigel will create some threads more worthy of discussion than Mike's, Nugs's & David's.

Nigel's last two thread titles (which were both deleted) said 'David Boutflour looks like a frog' & then 'Anne Eaton looks like a toad'. So no improvement.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2018, 03:12:05 PM by John »

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #231 on: March 24, 2018, 11:07:59 AM »
I am sure as most on this forum knows, that Jeremy Bamber has lied persistently and constantly since he was questioned by police in relation to the White House Farm Murders in 1985. If you have seen or heard, as I have, the obnoxious, self-righteous and irritating denials by this psychopath, then you may also feel it is time to redress the balance somewhat.
A psychopath such as Jeremy Bamber is totally incapable of being honest. His version of the truth is not the same as most other people. Bamber seems to think the truth is a concoction of half-truths mixed with downright lies. He once told  girlfriend Julie Mugford 'As long as you mix a few truths with your story you can't be caught out if they check'  Bamber sees no problem with this.
For the last 27 years, those interested in the case have been virtually bombarded with his pleas of innocence. His cronies have saturated the internet with all manner of scenarios and reasons why he couldn't be responsible for these crimes. Those that have researched this case by typing his name into Google will know what I mean.
Bamber 'think tanks' have come up with all manner of absurd scenarios in a desparate effort to point the finger of suspicion elsewhere often imagining ridiculous scenarios involving either Sheila or some mysterious stranger. Bamber was either the architect of these or went along with them regardless. It seems overwhelmingly to be a case of blame someone for the killings as long as it is not Jeremy Bamber - anyone but him.
One of the main aspects I noticed was Bamber's inability to answer a direct question pertaining to the murders. It was all about his 'innocence' Not once have I heard, read or seen Bamber give a refutation to the nation that it was highly improbable that Sheila could have been responsible for beating her 6ft 4" father into unconsciousness so viciously that the stock of the rifle broke. Or that there was any evidence of a struggle. Or that she showed no signs of handling a firearm, or that she murdered her own sons. Bamber did not once question this.
I find this a tad strange. Has anyone ever, read, heard or seen Bamber make any form of apology for leaving a loaded .22 rifle out in full view where there are two six year old boys staying? Or express any guilt for doing so?

                                                    Bambers Lies Exposed                                                                         
The Rifle
The rifle was never left out where Bamber had stated it was. That was too simplistic and obvious. I strongly suspect that he hid the rifle somewhere in the kitchen, where the ever-fastidious Nevil wouldnt find it, or, if he did return it to it's rightful place in the gun cupboard.
Bamber made sure it would be within easy reach when he broke in that night and not risk a confrontation with Nevil should he be overheard retrieving it from the gun cupboard.

The Adoption of the Twins
Bamber set the scene by suggesting to the police that the murderous rampage may have been sparked off the night before the murders by a suggestion by Nevil and June that the twins be adopted or fostered out to a local family.
There are two reasons why this simply cannot be true. Firstly, the twins father Colin Cafell, stated unequivocably that there was 'no question of the twins ever being either adopted or fostered out' This was a downright lie by Bamber. No such conversation ever took place. Secondly, Bamber had failed to realise that he had already stated in regards to why his father hadn't called the police, that his father was very 'unlikely to get organisations involved'
No organisations except the entire multi-faceted bureaucracy of the British Adoption Agency? I think Bamber tripped over his own stupidity here.

He Got Along With His Family
This is another downright lie. Bamber claimed after the murders that he got along fine with his father, although he admitted having some 'difficulty' with his mother and understanding his mentally ill sister' He insisted that his relationship with them had 'improved and was on good ground'
Nothing can be further from the truth. Bamber, hated his family with a passion. There were many witnesses who often overheard Bamber complaining about how short of money they kept him and how he hated them. Julie Mugford testified that Jeremy stated that the 'family were better off dead, the whole bloody lot of them' it quickly became obvious to her that Bamber disliked his family. He resented his parents whom he claimed, "tried to run his life" and he said he did not get on with Sheila Caffell. He was angry that she lived in an expensive flat in Maida Vale, which was maintained by his parents. Between July and October 1984, he said that his parents were getting him down and he said that he wished "he could get rid of them all". Mugford added that Bamber had said to her that his "father was getting old, his mother was mad … Sheila was mad as well … and in respect of the way the twins had been brought up, … they were emotionally disturbed and unbalanced"
Hardly the stuff of cordiality is it??


This is just the first small step in the mountain of lies told by Bamber in his attempt to cover up the appalling crimes for which he is undoubtedly responsible. It was a crime, Bamber hoped, that would never be uncovered.
In this he was very much mistaken.

JEREMY BAMBER INTERVIEW

This is an edited interview with Jeremy Bamber conducted by telephone from Long Lartin prison, where he was, and still is, serving five life sentences. Bamber sounded, if not convincing, at least convinced. At the top of the letters he writes to his friends and supporters, he puts in capitals how long he has been inside:
2,833 DAYS OF WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT.

How do you feel now about your conviction ?
“I still can’t understand why I was convicted. It seems incredible to me, eight years after it all happened, still fighting away. There’s so much they don’t want to reveal, so much that they say they didn’t do which would have established my innocence. Had I been arrested immediately and an investigation done, then the truth would have been written much more closely. But, as my dad always used to say to me when any injustice happened to me in my childhood: “don’t worry Jeremy, the truth always comes out in the wash.” I think now the people helping me have been able to put together a package which, the bottom line, as they say, is that it is unimaginable that I would have been convicted had this evidence been before the jury.”

How much trouble have you had from other inmates ?
“Um, pretty much none, very little. I’ve obviously made one or two enemies over the years. I would say the majority of prisoners believe in me – after reading the paperwork, meeting me, quizzing me. The prison staff extend to me, personally, every facility that they can. Very friendly. It’s not the same in every jail, and not the same for every prisoner.”

Have you had any physical assaults ?
“One in Franklin – from a guard, not a prisoner. It was a control and restraint technique. I smashed up my cell and went on a shit protest. It was to do with my case, a daft protest really when I look back at it. I asked for it. Apart from that, in all these years, I’ve never been touched.”

What can you tell me about Sheila ? What sort of person she was ?
“God, that’s a hard question to do in just a few sentences. (Blows heavily.) You’ve sprung that on me. In her early life, a normal sister, interested in English and Art, a sensitive person. A fairly highly-strung person but, up until the age of 17/18, I got on well with her. We had much in common. Then she went up to London and got into the modelling and that changed her quite considerably. It made her too narcissistical (sic). Quite why she started to suffer from schizophrenia, I don’t understand. She suffered from delusions, which made her very distant. It’s very hard when someone you know so well changes so radically, really quite devastating to see someone suffering so much anxiety and not knowing what to do – mostly not having the maturity to deal with that. It makes me very sad now, that none of us – me, my family, the relatives – had understanding about what to do.”

There is conflicting evidence about her actual ability to have committed these crimes with that weapon.
“My own opinion is that she would have had no trouble.”

What about her actual experience ?
“I can’t say that she’d had any particular experience with that particular weapon. It’s not difficult, not sophisticated. They’re simple things to operate. If she’d watched a cowboy movie, it’s almost as simple as that.”

You believe that she committed those crimes using the silencer ?
(Pause). “My own personal belief, I believe that that’s a complete red herring. I don’t have evidence one way or the other on that, not hard evidence. I believe that she didn’t use the silencer.”

Do you see the spark of this crime being the possibility of her children being fostered out ?
“It was something that was discussed. That was one of the many, many options that were discussed over how best to help her. What were the outside pressures causing her such distress ?”

Do you have any regrets about the way you behaved around the time of the funeral ?
“No, because a lot of those things have been grossly exaggerated by the media. I was so devastated at the loss of my family, in a sense I was trying to buy love from my friends by happily picking up the tabs, spending money to buy their affection, because I needed their love. So, no, I don’t regret that… I didn’t do anything wrong.”

What about when you went on holiday ?
“That was just with Brett Collins – we stayed in a caravan, not an expensive holiday.”

Any other regrets ?
“Yes, I suppose I do regret things. Not understanding early enough what was really going on, with the family, being too selfish, too involved with what I was doing. I wish I’d been a better brother. Maybe Sheila and my mum and dad and Daniel and Nicholas would still be alive. I look back now and say, well, so much disturbance, why didn’t I do more ?”

ends

http://jimshelley.com/crime/jeremy-bamber-qa/
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #232 on: March 24, 2018, 11:11:14 PM »
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Jeremy Bambers prison security file is full of complaints made by members of the public.

In 2013/14 a handful of members of the public had contacted the Governor where Simon Hall was incarcerated and made complaints in relation to his behaviour and the behaviour of others (believe it or not)? However all of this information will be noted down and will be used as a factor in relation to the risk a prisoner poses to others etc.

This can be added to the list https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrified-woman-receives-phone-call-12094569

I notice Bambers campaign team haven't come to his defence
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #233 on: March 24, 2018, 11:23:41 PM »
This can be added to the list https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrified-woman-receives-phone-call-12094569

I notice Bambers campaign team haven't come to his defence

Sounds to me like Jeremy Bamber is in yet another load of trouble..

The prison apparently told her to contact the police about her concerns

"Woman's horror after 'phone call' from notorious mass murderer Jeremy Bamber

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/womans-horror-after-phone-call-1267245
« Last Edit: March 24, 2018, 11:26:53 PM by Stephanie »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline puglove

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #234 on: March 24, 2018, 11:28:17 PM »
This can be added to the list https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrified-woman-receives-phone-call-12094569

I notice Bambers campaign team haven't come to his defence

Possibly because the campaign team are purely focused on cadging as much dosh as possible, hence the inappropriate images of piles of cash and Easter eggs. Classy, Troods.

I can't believe that Mike hasn't been challenged on his latest allegation, that Nevill wasn't even in WHF when the shootings began. At what point did he change into the pyjamas that he was found wearing?

 *&^^&
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #235 on: March 24, 2018, 11:31:09 PM »
Sounds to me like Jeremy Bamber is in yet another load of trouble..

The prison apparently told her to contact the police about her concerns

"Woman's horror after 'phone call' from notorious mass murderer Jeremy Bamber

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/womans-horror-after-phone-call-1267245

From Theladbible

"A woman has been left shaken after receiving what appeared to be an unsolicited call from convicted mass-murderer Jeremy Bamber.

The incident is made all the more perplexing by the fact that the woman didn't even have Bamber's number saved in her phone and had to Google his name before she realised who he was.


http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-woman-shocked-to-receive-unexpected-call-from-mass-murderer-20180227
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline puglove

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #236 on: March 24, 2018, 11:45:13 PM »
And, Luminous doo-dah, you made the classic rookie mistake (except you're not a rookie, are you?) of asking why Bamber didn't just dump the silencer. It would have been missed.

The Bamber case is fascinating, but it's all getting a bit thin. There isn't much left to pick over. All that is left is a bit of entertainment when there's nothing else to do. Smarter people than you have realised that Nevill didn't make a phone call, and whoever handled the gun knew what they were doing. Everything, from the angle of the first shot to Sheila, to the lack of prints on the gun, has been done to death.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #237 on: March 24, 2018, 11:53:42 PM »
Possibly because the campaign team are purely focused on cadging as much dosh as possible, hence the inappropriate images of piles of cash and Easter eggs. Classy, Troods.

Just found this re Bamber supporters or "groupies" as they are referred to in the article:

"Although white posh boy Bamber can't be pushed as a victim of racism or some other prejudice, like Ted Bundy, he has his groupies, although unlike Bundy they come in both sexes and apparently over a fair sprinkling of age groups. And they like Bamber are not shy about telling outright lies or peddling nonsense. One of these is that when Bamber and the police turned up at the farm, one of the officers entered into a conversation with someone inside the farmhouse. This is based on a gratuitous twisting of the truth. What actually happened was this:
The police turned up at the property without any real understanding of what they were facing. They had only Bamber's word for what had happened inside the house, and for all they knew he could have been high on drugs, or the victim of a sick practical joke.
They assumed, indeed had to assume, that there were people alive inside, and that there was a hostage situation, so they shouted into the house. And of course, nobody shouted back. A police telephonist miles away entered in his log words to the effect that the officers had arrived and had made contact with someone inside the house, that they had started a conversation. This telephonist was telling the truth as he saw it, but unfortunately for Bamber if not for justice, shouting into a morgue does not constitute a conversation.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/338039#ixzz5AiHcdF5O
« Last Edit: March 24, 2018, 11:57:30 PM by Stephanie »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Caroline

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #238 on: March 25, 2018, 12:31:39 AM »
Just found this re Bamber supporters or "groupies" as they are referred to in the article:

"Although white posh boy Bamber can't be pushed as a victim of racism or some other prejudice, like Ted Bundy, he has his groupies, although unlike Bundy they come in both sexes and apparently over a fair sprinkling of age groups. And they like Bamber are not shy about telling outright lies or peddling nonsense. One of these is that when Bamber and the police turned up at the farm, one of the officers entered into a conversation with someone inside the farmhouse. This is based on a gratuitous twisting of the truth. What actually happened was this:
The police turned up at the property without any real understanding of what they were facing. They had only Bamber's word for what had happened inside the house, and for all they knew he could have been high on drugs, or the victim of a sick practical joke.
They assumed, indeed had to assume, that there were people alive inside, and that there was a hostage situation, so they shouted into the house. And of course, nobody shouted back. A police telephonist miles away entered in his log words to the effect that the officers had arrived and had made contact with someone inside the house, that they had started a conversation. This telephonist was telling the truth as he saw it, but unfortunately for Bamber if not for justice, shouting into a morgue does not constitute a conversation.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/338039#ixzz5AiHcdF5O

I think the log entry that this refers to is actually accurate - the first entry is that 'police are in conversation with a person from inside the farm' they were indeed, they were in conversation with Bamber. The next entry is that 'challenge to persons inside the house were met with no response'. The log differentiates the farm and the house and also person and persons.

As the article states, many manipulate these entries to indicate that someone was alive inside WHF.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2018, 12:34:04 AM by Caroline »

Offline LuminousWanderer

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #239 on: March 25, 2018, 04:31:52 AM »
This can be added to the list https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrified-woman-receives-phone-call-12094569

I notice Bambers campaign team haven't come to his defence

What is Bamber supposed to have done wrong here?