Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.

[jassi]

I think they are innocent and so did one of the judges
They were found guilty that doesn't mean they are guilty
Another unpleasant fact for you

How disappointed you must be for your opinion to be ignored by the Appeal Court .

[stephen25000]

Some people make even Trump look like a mastermind.

It doesn't matter what McCann supporters think, the convictions stand and the appeals failed.

Doh.

[stephen25000]

How disappointed you must be for your opinion to be ignored by the Appeal Court .

Nice one. 

[slartibartfast]

We have proof that Amaral attempted to pervert the course of justice long before Madeleine went missing.  He was proven in court to have falsified documents presented to the Courts at Leonors trial.  These were to do with the torture of Leonor Cipriano, and could have affected the outcome of Leonor and Joaos trial.   He was given an 18 month suspended sentence.

He committed the crime in 2005 and later was actually made an arguido for that crime on the very day that Madeleine went missing.

This was a seriously bad crime as Eleanor points out

Please provide cites that the falsified documents were to do with the torture.

[Mr Gray]

You will be able to provide cites then.

His criminal conviction was for falsifying a report
Are you really not aware of that

[slartibartfast]

His criminal conviction was for falsifying a report
Are you really not aware of that

I am well aware of that, he was also found not guilty of failing to denounce torture which puts a different slant on things. Therefore suggesting any link between GA and the "torture" is libel. Clear?

[sadie]

I am well aware of that, he was also found not guilty of failing to denounce torture which puts a different slant on things. Therefore suggesting any link between GA and the "torture" is libel. Clear?

So YOU, Slarti, unilaterally, have decreed that Amaral had nothing to do with the tortuire ?


Despite the fact that
-  he was criminalized for telling lies about it
-  he ran the team that did the torture
-  he tried to come to an arrangement with the brave Dr Ana, director of Leonors jail that she would agree that the bruises were caused by her other prisoners setting on Leonor

Dont try and deny these things.  They happened under his command.  We dont know for certain whether he personally was involved in the torture or trying to make the arrangement ... but he was in charge and he carries the can.  And we do know that he told lies to the court about his officers and the torture


If you persist in trying to make out that Amaral had no links with the torture, Slarti, you will become the laughing stock of the internet

... and people "in the know" might begin to wonder if you are part of some Brotherhood of which Amaral is also a member

[Mr Gray]

I am well aware of that, he was also found not guilty of failing to denounce torture which puts a different slant on things. Therefore suggesting any link between GA and the "torture" is libel. Clear?

By falsifying a document
By claiming she fell down the stairs
As a law enforcement officer he is obliged to take action re a crime

[ShiningInLuz]

So YOU, Slarti, unilaterally, have decreed that Amaral had nothing to do with the tortuire ?


Despite the fact that
-  he was criminalized for telling lies about it
-  he ran the team that did the torture
-  he tried to come to an arrangement with the brave Dr Ana, director of Leonors jail that she would agree that the bruises were caused by her other prisoners setting on Leonor

Dont try and deny these things.  They happened under his command.  We dont know for certain whether he personally was involved in the torture or trying to make the arrangement ... but he was in charge and he carries the can.  And we do know that he told lies to the court about his officers and the torture

If you persist in trying to make out that Amaral had no links with the torture, Slarti, you will become the laughing stock of the internet

... and people "in the know" might begin to wonder if you are part of some Brotherhood of which Amaral is also a member

You are sailing too close to the wind unless you can provide cites for most of this.

Amaral has a record for perjury.  The rest is speculation.

[Mr Gray]

You are sailing too close to the wind unless you can provide cites for most of this.

Amaral has a record for perjury.  The rest is speculation.

Amaral had a thesis that Maddie died in the apartment and the parents covered up the death
I have a theory that amaral knew far more about the torture than he has admitted

[ShiningInLuz]

Amaral had a thesis that Maddie died in the apartment and the parents covered up the death
I have a theory that amaral knew far more about the torture than he has admitted

I have no issue about you having a theory, or an opinion.

I do have an issue about stating a theory or opinion as fact.

To be crystal clear, the current exchange did not start with (or continue with) you stating a theory or opinion as fact, so I see no problem with it.

[slartibartfast]

By falsifying a document
By claiming she fell down the stairs
As a law enforcement officer he is obliged to take action re a crime

...and if the court had thought it proved he had known about the "torture" then he would have been found guilty of failure to denounce.

[Mr Gray]

I have no issue about you having a theory, or an opinion.

I do have an issue about stating a theory or opinion as fact.

To be crystal clear, the current exchange did not start with (or continue with) you stating a theory or opinion as fact, so I see no problem with it.

It seems someone else had a problem with me posting my opinion
I find that quite interesting when the same people claim the mccanns silence anyone who disagrees with them
I love exposing hypocrisy

[Mr Gray]

...and if the court had thought it proved he had known about the "torture" then he would have been found guilty of failure to denounce.

Just because it cannot be proved in court doesn't mean it isn't true
Am I allowed to state my option or is censorship alive and well here from people such as yourself

[slartibartfast]

Just because it cannot be proved in court doesn't mean it isn't true
Am I allowed to state my option or is censorship alive and well here from people such as yourself

It tends to mean it is libel.