Was Sheila a Paranoid Schizophrenic?

[cathythe sceptic]

Hi all
never posted beforebut have followed both forums for a while - came to the case open-minded,maybe a bit pro bamber as there are so many hideous mojs but now firmly convinced of bambers guilt

anyway,reason for posting now is I think Jackie has been banned because she has finally stumbled on the truth- that is that her 2 heroes NGB and S McK are not at all interested in Bamber per se.For Ngb,jb is just a business opportunity,like many others he prob has on the go --worth staking a few quid on paying for some tests in Arizona -see if jb can get out,then kerching film rights book deals etc.For S Mck,wellits been a long time since Lee clegg,he could do with another high profile case couldn't he?

these are the only 2 who give th case any credibility whatsoever -the others are doubtless lovely ,well-meaning people,but they spend all their time building massive castles on sand,turning Sheila's mild schizophrenia into a a case of raving,murderous lunacy based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever and coming with totally ludicrous 'explanations'and excuses for all the many,many pointers to jb's guilt

Anyway all the above is just imho

[sika]

Hello Cathy, great post.

[abs]

Welcome, cathythe sceptic! 

I wouldn´t call paranoid schizophrenia mild in any case! There are reports of Sheila having violent outbursts (from her boyfriend, Freddie something.)

[cathythe sceptic]

Abs,she was NOT a paranoid schizophrenic - her diagnosis,according to her own specialist,and not the arm-chair psychiatrists on the pro jb forum was of mild schizophrenia and this is confirmed by her husband in his book,there is no mention anywhere of paranoid symptons at all.this is a fiction,made up by jb and repeated ad nauseam by his supporters

thanks sika

[abs]

Abs,she was NOT a paranoid schizophrenic - her diagnosis,according to her own specialist,and not the arm-chair psychiatrists on the pro jb forum was of mild schizophrenia and this is confirmed by her husband in his book,there is no mention anywhere of paranoid symptons at all.this is a fiction,made up by jb and repeated ad nauseam by his supporters

thanks sika

Sheila thought her sons were the devil´s children (according to her doctor), and that one of them was capable of having sex with her/raping her. That sounds pretty paranoid and delusional to me!
She was on a rather high dosis of Haloperidol, a medication given to patients with schizofrenia. It had (wrongly) been halved prior to the murders.

[cathythe sceptic]

Hi Abs
I 'm not saying that her symptoms were not seroius,even mild schizophrenia entails some really horrible delusionsand very bad reactions,its just that to me - not that I,m any kind of expert,just commenting as a lay person- there seems to be a very very wide margin between the type of outbursts reported by eg freddie and the kind of psychopathic rage which makes you massacre your entire family 

the women that i have read of killing their own children seem to have 1 thing in common and that is an overwhelming desire to have revenge on their spouses - I haven't seen anyhting to that effect  inthe many reports i have read about Shiela

Also ,suffocation,drowning in the bath seems to be the kind of method used,not a shooting spree killing every last person in the vicinity

Anyway I am not wedded to my ideas,just remain to be convinced by the tales of tardive dykensia,gurning unconfirmed post partum psychosis et al which seem to be the stock in trade of the jb is just a poor,confused,lonely little lad brigade!

[John]

I have given the thread a new title worthy of your discussions girls.

Sorry for interrupting.   

[cathythe sceptic]

although this thread seems to be about sheila's capacity for murder,I'm actually at least as interested in any feed-back re my comments on Jackie's banning,or is that not something I should be raising here?

[Andrea]

I have all the books on the Bamber case, and have read statements, documents etc. NOWHERE have i seen it mentioned that Sheila suffered Tardive Dyskinesia. That incidentally cannot be cured. The Procyclideine i suspect, would have been to countercat the drowsiness caised by her antipsychotic drug, Haloperidol.

[starryian]

I have all the books on the Bamber case, and have read statements, documents etc. NOWHERE have i seen it mentioned that Sheila suffered Tardive Dyskinesia. That incidentally cannot be cured. The Procyclideine i suspect, would have been to countercat the drowsiness caised by her antipsychotic drug, Haloperidol.

An excellent point Andrea. This Tardive Dyskinesia debate seems to have taken on a life of it's own. This is just another piece of hogwash by the blue forum. Well pointed out

[Andrea]

Thanks, Ian.

Her illness does seem to be getting more serious by the day, doesnt it!! Her own DR diagnosed her with mild Schizophrenia. Psychosis can happen in a normally mentally well person. if a person is under stress for any length of time that can cause Psychosis. It isnt exclusive to Schizophrenia.

[Andrea]

cathy, why dont you register on here, it makes it easier to post!

[cathythe sceptic]

hi Andrea

yes I will - have had a fab cambodian dinner plus loads of rum'n'cokes down the pub ,so prob don't make any sense tonite,so will reg in the morning - but just must say that nothing I have read anywhere makes me think that sheila icould be guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt' I am absolutely certain that jb's defence team would have used anything at all in her medical notes to build a case against --theyare never'ever squeemish about such things--her and they didn't because they couldn't.jb supporters will say that so much more is known about propbs with meds for people with psychiatric disorders and women that kill their children and so forth,but I am sas certain as I can be that for evbery woman who has probs with her medication and goes on to kill their loved ones,there are 10,000 who don't.The truth is that the vast vast majority of these terribly sad sad people harm themselves,rather than others

[Andrea]

Well, they are more likely to be a victim of crime themselves, yes.

[cathythe sceptic]

yes totally agree - many of those with mental health problems either harm themselves or are the victims - rather than the perpetrators of crime -to the shame of our society