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Offline jassi

No but she could have got it checked.

Well she had been back to the UK before she made her 12/06/2007 statement. She had already sent that letter.

Yes she wrote the letter 2 weeks after Madeleine's disappearance

Why should she want to make an unauthorised search of the confidential data base?

She clearly wanted the police to do the check, which sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
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Why should she want to make an unauthorised search of the data base?

She clearly wanted the police to do the check, which sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

I said she could have got it done, not her do it.
Reasonable yes I agree, but not by anonymous letters. She was in the UK so why not go to Devon Police then and explain.
Seems as though they probably traced her anyway, through that letter.
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Who did she actually sent the letter to - which Force?
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Offline Eleanor

Yvonne Martin said that she sent the letter anonymously because she didn't want to be involved with The Media.

What can have given her the idea at that time that The Media would be involved?

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She describes him as tall man, height about 1,80 m, about 35 years old, of normal physical complexion, with short, dark hair, with a round face and with a scar on the left side of his face running from the eyebrow to the check. He uses graduated glasses of small dimension with rectangular lenses. He spoke with a southern English accent and was wearing cream coloured trousers and a dark polo shirt

I'm talking about Jane Tanner's description:

( * ) Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40, slim physical appearance, about 1.70m tall. Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back (she could only see him from behind). He was wearing linen type cloth trousers, beige to golden in colour, a "duffy" sic type jacket (but not that thick). His shoes were dark in colour, classic type. He had a hurried walk. He was carrying a child, who was lying on both his arms, in front of his chest. By the way he was dressed, he gave her the impression that he was not a tourist, because he was very "warmly dressed".

Why did Yvonne Martin think Dr Payne looked like that?

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The Media were involved from day one
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Offline Eleanor

The Media were involved from day one

But not The Statements of potential witnesses.

Offline jassi

I said she could have got it done, not her do it.
Reasonable yes I agree, but not by anonymous letters. She was in the UK so why not go to Devon Police then and explain.
Seems as though they probably traced her anyway, through that letter.

How do we know she was in the UK ?  She was in Portugal when she gave the statement to the PJ. She could have been there all the time and sent the letter to UK police  from Portugal.
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Offline jassi

But not The Statements of potential witnesses.


Perhaps she had seen the Media in action when she was there on the Friday and decided she didn't want anything to do with them.
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Perhaps she had seen the Media in action when she was there on the Friday and decided she didn't want anything to do with them.
Now I can understand that, but not an anonymous letter.

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How do we know she was in the UK ?  She was in Portugal when she gave the statement to the PJ. She could have been there all the time and sent the letter to UK police  from Portugal.

Jeez, why don't you read her statements?

She had been back home. Was this when she sent the letter?

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

Oh look, she could have had access to the database

 She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children
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I'm talking about Jane Tanner's description:

( * ) Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40, slim physical appearance, about 1.70m tall. Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back (she could only see him from behind). He was wearing linen type cloth trousers, beige to golden in colour, a "duffy" sic type jacket (but not that thick). His shoes were dark in colour, classic type. He had a hurried walk. He was carrying a child, who was lying on both his arms, in front of his chest. By the way he was dressed, he gave her the impression that he was not a tourist, because he was very "warmly dressed".

Why did Yvonne Martin think Dr Payne looked like that?

She says that about two weeks after Madeleine's disappearance, when the police made an appeal for information about a man, carrying a child, who had been seen in the Luz zone, and whose clothing was described, she wrote an anonymous letter to the British police, telling them the following: : regarding the various details she observed during her contact with the McCanns it is her opinion that they could be in some way involved in the disappearance of Madeleine.
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Jeez, why don't you read her statements?

She had been back home. Was this when she sent the letter?

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

Oh look, she could have had access to the database

 She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children

I have read her statement and I cannot see where she says that she was in the UK

from her statement -  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

"She says that about two weeks after Madeleine's disappearance, when the police made an appeal for information about a man, carrying a child, who had been seen in the Luz zone, and whose clothing was described, she wrote an anonymous letter to the British police, telling them the following: : regarding the various details she observed during her contact with the McCanns it is her opinion that they could be in some way involved in the disappearance of Madeleine. "
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I have read her statement and I cannot see where she says that she was in the UK

from her statement -  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

"She says that about two weeks after Madeleine's disappearance, when the police made an appeal for information about a man, carrying a child, who had been seen in the Luz zone, and whose clothing was described, she wrote an anonymous letter to the British police, telling them the following: : regarding the various details she observed during her contact with the McCanns it is her opinion that they could be in some way involved in the disappearance of Madeleine. "

She says that she has lived in Portugal for seven years on a part-time basis, in other words, for some months of the year she lives in her home in Sargaçal and for the rest of the year lives in England, where she still works.

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness.
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She says that she has lived in Portugal for seven years on a part-time basis, in other words, for some months of the year she lives in her home in Sargaçal and for the rest of the year lives in England, where she still works.

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness.

Where does it say that ? what is your source?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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