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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #90 on: July 21, 2014, 07:52:10 AM »
Quote from: colombosstogey on July 21, 2014, 05:44:28 AM
I met someone recently on another forum, nothing to do with Maddy by the way chicken related.

We have been chatting and it turns out that she is retired Child protection agent for a county.

I asked her off forum about the McCann case and if she had been in PDL at the time and knew they were English etc would she have approached them.

She said yes she probably would have to help them, as they are trained to assist in these cases.

So its not really odd for this Yvonne to do that.

The thing that is odd to me is the way the McCanns REJECTED her help. I would have grabbed hold of her and begged her for help. PERSONALLY.

Can anyone tell me in what way a social worker could be of any help  in this situation....no help whatsoever..or is this just another stick with which to beat the mccanns...of course it is
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Offline Benice

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #91 on: July 21, 2014, 09:10:51 AM »
Quote from: davel on July 21, 2014, 07:52:10 AM
Can anyone tell me in what way a social worker could be of any help  in this situation....no help whatsoever..or is this just another stick with which to beat the mccanns...of course it is

Agreed.

IMO The main reason some sceptics like to refer to YM is because they seem to think it is 'proof' of some kind that  ...... ......... is a paedophile - which some of them are desperately keen to be true.    Very disturbing IMO.   The fact that she also thought he could have been a bona fide work colleague from her past  - is totally ignored by those same people.   

I would assume that she checked her work records at some time - and found nothing at all to link her with him.

People who write anonymous letters - especially ones which smack of 'poison pen letters'  have no credibility whatsoever as reliable witnesses IMO - as their motives are usually based on 'revenge' or 'envy' etc. etc.

IMO YM was extremely 'put out' at being 'removed' by David Payne - and after simmering for a while - she wrote her anonymous letter.

Not professional - and definitely not nice IMO.



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ferryman

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Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #92 on: July 21, 2014, 09:30:44 AM »
Quote from: davel on July 21, 2014, 07:52:10 AM
Can anyone tell me in what way a social worker could be of any help  in this situation....no help whatsoever..or is this just another stick with which to beat the mccanns...of course it is

In the generic a social worker might have been very supportive and helpful.

In the particular, Yvonne Martin wasn't!
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Offline Benice

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #93 on: July 21, 2014, 09:51:21 AM »
Quote from: ferryman on July 21, 2014, 09:30:44 AM
In the generic a social worker might have been very supportive and helpful.

In the particular, Yvonne Martin wasn't!

Indeed.  I'm struggling to understand how 'interrogating' Kate like a policeman,  even though she could see what a terribly distressed state Kate was in -  was in any way 'helpful'.     

I do think that as she arrived following a police car - the McCanns may have originally thought she was connected 'officially' in some way to the case - but then eventually realised she was no more than a stranger off the street who had taken it upon herself to insert herself into the proceedings - and so asked her to leave.      But that's just speculation on my part - and could be completely wrong.

I truly have no idea what Y. Martin's intentions were that morning - or what she hoped to achieve.

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #94 on: July 21, 2014, 09:54:19 AM »
Quote from: davel on July 21, 2014, 07:52:10 AM
Can anyone tell me in what way a social worker could be of any help  in this situation....no help whatsoever..or is this just another stick with which to beat the mccanns...of course it is

Indeed sir you appear to be asking a question and answering it your good self. That truly is unwonted.
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stephen25000

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Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #95 on: July 21, 2014, 09:54:59 AM »
Quote from: Benice on July 21, 2014, 09:51:21 AM
Indeed.  I'm struggling to understand how 'interrogating' Kate like a policeman,  even though she could see what a terribly distressed state Kate was in -  was in any way 'helpful'.     

I do think that as she arrived following a police car - the McCanns may have originally thought she was connected 'officially' in some way to the case - but then eventually realised she was no more than a stranger off the street who had taken it upon herself to insert herself into the proceedings - and so asked her to leave.      But that's just speculation on my part - and could be completely wrong.

I truly have no idea what Y. Martin's intentions were that morning - or what she hoped to achieve.

' 'interrogating' Kate like a policeman '

What a load of old rubbish.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #96 on: July 21, 2014, 10:01:53 AM »
Quote from: Benice on July 21, 2014, 09:51:21 AM
Indeed.  I'm struggling to understand how 'interrogating' Kate like a policeman,  even though she could see what a terribly distressed state Kate was in -  was in any way 'helpful'.     

I do think that as she arrived following a police car - the McCanns may have originally thought she was connected 'officially' in some way to the case - but then eventually realised she was no more than a stranger off the street who had taken it upon herself to insert herself into the proceedings - and so asked her to leave.      But that's just speculation on my part - and could be completely wrong.

I truly have no idea what Y. Martin's intentions were that morning - or what she hoped to achieve.

I agree with that absolutely.

They would be outside taking keen note of every approaching official vehicle in case it was bringing news of Madeleine; they would have seen her arrival and discussion with the police on the ground and would naturally have made the assumption she was there in an official capacity.

These people are professionals who know how other professionals should behave ... imo they sussed out something about her with which they were extremely unhappy which is why they asked to see her credentials.
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stephen25000

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Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #97 on: July 21, 2014, 10:11:26 AM »
' These people are professionals who know how other professionals should behave '

Professionals ?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #98 on: July 21, 2014, 10:11:54 AM »
Quote from: sadie on July 21, 2014, 02:22:31 AM
Where have you got that a Child Protection Officer expressed doubts about one of the Mccanns friends from?  Have you made it up ... or have you a cite ?


From Yvonne Martin's statement :

'The witness was also shown attached page showing the places of work where she carried out her professional activities as Social Services Manager for Child Protection,'

'She declares that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers and whether ..... ....... was on that list. '
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #99 on: July 21, 2014, 10:24:53 AM »
Quote from: Benice on July 21, 2014, 09:10:51 AM
Agreed.

IMO The main reason some sceptics like to refer to YM is because they seem to think it is 'proof' of some kind that  ...... ......... is a paedophile - which some of them are desperately keen to be true.    Very disturbing IMO.   The fact that she also thought he could have been a bona fide work colleague from her past  - is totally ignored by those same people.   

I would assume that she checked her work records at some time - and found nothing at all to link her with him.

People who write anonymous letters - especially ones which smack of 'poison pen letters'  have no credibility whatsoever as reliable witnesses IMO - as their motives are usually based on 'revenge' or 'envy' etc. etc.

IMO YM was extremely 'put out' at being 'removed' by David Payne - and after simmering for a while - she wrote her anonymous letter.

Not professional - and definitely not nice IMO.

And don't you think it's odd Benice that out of the four adult males in McCann party two professionals who where unknown to each other both suspected the same individual of inappropriate behaviour towards children ?
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #100 on: July 21, 2014, 10:27:00 AM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 21, 2014, 10:11:54 AM
From Yvonne Martin's statement :

'The witness was also shown attached page showing the places of work where she carried out her professional activities as Social Services Manager for Child Protection,'

'She declares that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers and whether ..... ......... was on that list. '

 ... and why on earth would they do that?

Unless you can quote a direct statement from her in which she categorically accuses him of such other than ... her main aim ...

If the woman had proof of such ... she would have produced it.  It would not have been necessary to pen an anonymous letter in an attempt to destroy his reputation.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #101 on: July 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM »
Quote from: Brietta on July 21, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
... and why on earth would they do that?

Unless you can quote a direct statement from her in which she categorically accuses him of such other than ... her main aim ...

If the woman had proof of such ... she would have produced it.  It would not have been necessary to pen an anonymous letter in an attempt to destroy his reputation.

Stop being silly Brietta.

She suspects the individual of inappropriate behaviour towards children, she does not categorically accuse him of such. Although put her doubts together with the statement of KG and it certainly raises some questions about the individual.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Benice

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #102 on: July 21, 2014, 10:43:34 AM »
Quote from: Brietta on July 21, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
... and why on earth would they do that?

Unless you can quote a direct statement from her in which she categorically accuses him of such other than ... her main aim ...

If the woman had proof of such ... she would have produced it.  It would not have been necessary to pen an anonymous letter in an attempt to destroy his reputation.


Apparently in some people's minds - the fact that if anyone is checked out against a child abuse register in the first place - then that is  'proof' that the person is a paedaphile or should be strongly suspected of being one - even if absolutely nothing is found.    Very disturbing 'lynchmob' mentality IMO.



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                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline faithlilly

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #103 on: July 21, 2014, 10:55:40 AM »
Quote from: Benice on July 21, 2014, 10:43:34 AM

Apparently in some people's minds - the fact that if anyone is checked out against a child abuse register in the first place - then that is  'proof' that the person is a paedaphile or should be strongly suspected of being one - even if absolutely nothing is found.    Very disturbing 'lynchmob' mentality IMO.

No one said it was proof but the fact that two professionals suspected the same individual of certain behaviours is certainly cause for discussion.

Imagine two professionals had suspected one of the Portuguese individuals recently questioned of inappropriate behaviour towards children ? I'm sure we would be discussing that to the nth degree, and rightly so.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline sadie

Re: Social worker who attended the scene later told police she was suspicious.
« Reply #104 on: July 21, 2014, 10:56:31 AM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
Stop being silly Brietta.

She suspects the individual of inappropriate behaviour towards children, she does not categorically accuse him of such. Although put her doubts together with the statement of KG and it certainly raises some questions about the individual.
And she was so sure of her accusations / implications that she didn't even put her name to the letter?

IMO, She should be kicked off her professional body for doing something like that .... writing effectively poison pen letters .... no proof .... and anonymous fgs.   And on such a mighty topic. 

She could have ruined him.  She has affected his whole life anyway, it will always hang over him

Exactly Benice.   Lynchmob mentality.



Is she really a professional ? ..... or one of these people who like to think they are?  Anyone know ?



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