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Offline Montclair

Re: Gonçalo Amaral explains what the current trial is all about.
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2014, 09:52:13 AM »
That ex-parte session didn't consider the question of libel.

It weighed two conflicting guarantees of the Portuguese constitution: one that the right to free speech should be upheld; the other, that the right to a good name should also be upheld.

The finding sided with Amaral's right to free speech.

It also (bizarrely) found that Amaral's book was true to the case files.

Amaral's book isn't, and I'm sure the error of that finding has (now) been thoroughly exposed.

Why bizarrely? The book is true to the case files, ponto final!

Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2014, 09:54:39 AM »
it seems that amaral is saying that accusing the mccanns of lying to the police for seven years...accusing them of perverting the course of justice...accusing them of covering up the death of their daughter...accusing them of criminal fraud re the fund...has caused them no damage...

anyone who believes that is living in fantasy land...the damage to them and their reputations is obvious

Soooooo damaged were their reputations that Kate was made Ambassador for missing people.

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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2014, 10:06:04 AM »
Soooooo damaged were their reputations that Kate was made Ambassador for missing people.

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The irony of her being made that could not be made up.

Offline Benice

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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2014, 10:07:42 AM »
Why bizarrely? The book is true to the case files, ponto final!


If you believe that  - then either you haven't read the book or you haven't read the files.
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Offline sadie

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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2014, 10:20:20 AM »
Why bizarrely? The book is true to the case files, ponto final!


ORLY?



ETA: Sorry Benice, I didn't notice your response.
You put it so much better than I did.


If you believe that  - then either you haven't read the book or you haven't read the files.

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral explains what the current trial is all about.
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2014, 10:50:25 AM »
Something else that's long puzzled me is this: why Santos began proceedings with a plea that proceedings be in camera (or secret) to protect Madeleine lest Madeleine be alive.

Either Santos was shooting his own client in the foot, or libel had/has been admitted and court proceedings are, indeed, about assessing damage caused by proven and established libel.

That seems, to me, the most logical, rational and likely explanation.

It would also explain why Textusa, Luz (and whoever else) are keen to abolish use of the l word.

The l word has already been established, and that doesn't sit well with the image some want to project of their hero.


Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2014, 11:50:47 AM »
Soooooo damaged were their reputations that Kate was made Ambassador for missing people.

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And not forgetting of course that his evil book meant that Oprah didn't want them on her show, Lorraine wouldn't let them on the sofa & Gerry couldn't show his face at work again.

'the damage to them and their reputations is obvious..'

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral explains what the current trial is all about.
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2014, 12:14:24 PM »
Why bizarrely? The book is true to the case files, ponto final!

Libel has not been decided...the book is not true to the files...

the files state amarals thesis as one POSSIBILITY........and considers other options

amaral claims his thesis as fact and dismisses other options...can you really not see the difference

Offline Carana

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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2014, 12:51:37 PM »
Libel has not been decided...the book is not true to the files...

the files state amarals thesis as one POSSIBILITY........and considers other options

amaral claims his thesis as fact and dismisses other options...can you really not see the difference

And he has often blurred the distinction between PJ thinking at the end of his tenure and the remainder of the investigation (or did not correct interviewers). The fact that the later interim report and final PJ report came to no such conclusion, nor did the archival ruling is - in his opinion - only due to "political interference" designed to hide his version of the "truth".

Offline Brietta

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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2014, 01:17:30 PM »
Something else that's long puzzled me is this: why Santos began proceedings with a plea that proceedings be in camera (or secret) to protect Madeleine lest Madeleine be alive.

Either Santos was shooting his own client in the foot, or libel had/has been admitted and court proceedings are, indeed, about assessing damage caused by proven and established libel.

That seems, to me, the most logical, rational and likely explanation.

It would also explain why Textusa, Luz (and whoever else) are keen to abolish use of the l word.

The l word has already been established, and that doesn't sit well with the image some want to project of their hero.

I have been puzzled by that too; I assumed it was to enable a very doctored interpretation of the proceedings to be released into the public domain; imo it has been proved that the first released ‘information’ becomes the perceived actuality and later accurate information which refutes it is totally ignored.

If there has been opportunity for it to have happened … yours is certainly the best explanation I have seen … and it would go some way to explaining Dr Amaral’s perceived despondent demeanour.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Gonçalo Amaral explains what the current trial is all about.
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2014, 01:26:08 PM »
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

A better translation of FB page...


21 Jul 2014

Dear friends,

Upon reading the news about the most recent trial session, I am certain that the vast majority of journalists don't know what is being discussed in court, and have not reported correctly.

Let us be clear. What is at stake is to find out:

- Whether the writing of my book "Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira" was a lawful or unlawful action;

- Whether or not the plaintiffs have suffered damages and whether or not there are facts to prove it;

- Whether or not it is possible to establish a causal nexus between the book and such damages.

This is what is at stake.

Concerning the book's lawfulness, I suggest to anyone who has doubts to read the Lisbon Appellate Court's decision within the injunction that preceded the current action. The truth is that for the Appellate Court's Illustrious Judges, as can be concluded from that decision, the lawfulness of the book's publication is indisputable.

With proof of the lawfulness of the book, the matter should rest here, without the need to investigate anything further, namely concerning the damages that the plaintiffs complain about.

Nonetheless, we should note that even if the lawfulness may still be at stake, there is still the need to establish a causal nexus between the publication and the damages that the plaintiffs complain about, such as deep depression, social isolation, etc. And, of course, to prove that said damages, no matter where they originate from, really exist.

Concerning the social part, it seems obvious to me, if we pay attention to the countless social events that the plaintiffs have participated in, including speeches at the British Parliament, interviews on television shows like Oprah Winfrey's, gala dinners with illustrious personalities, namely British, among others, that said social isolation is totally false.

Concerning the depressions, although they are in no way proved within the case, in my opinion, in fact it would be very strange if they didn't exist. The disappearance of a daughter, whether she is dead or alive, whether or not she was abducted, has to originate enormous consequences of that kind. How strange would it be if that wasn't the case! But about this issue I won't say anything further, given that the plaintiffs seem to attribute to me and my book all of their pain, as if said disappearance, followed by their arguido status and other circumstances that surround the case, were of no importance, or weren't more than enough!

Unfortunately, due to clearly dilatory manoeuvres from the plaintiffs, that have once more forced a postponement of the hearing, I am afraid that the trial will drag on – as they clearly wish - and we won't have a sentence soon, as I wish would happen, and as I long for. Furthermore, the judicial holidays have already started and, as the Illustrious Judge explained, with the new judiciary organisation coming into force on the 1st of September, the process' slowness will be considerably increased.

However, my trust in Portuguese justice remains steadfast.

All that is left for me is to recognise and thank you for all the support that I have received, from all those that believe in justice and in truth, without which it would have been impossible for me to fight this lawsuit. Or to lead me to ponder, as I do, to file a lawsuit against the McCann couple and others, in order to be compensated for the enormous damages that they have caused me already, on all levels, such as moral, professional and financial.

The time to judicially react to all those who have put my privacy, my intimacy, my freedom of expression and opinion, and my survival conditions at stake is approaching.

They have tried to assassinate me civilly, but due to the support and solidarity of all of you, they were not successful.

Thank you very much,

Lisboa July 21st, 2014

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Offline Carana

Re: Gonçalo Amaral explains what the current trial is all about.
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2014, 02:01:49 PM »
Already about the depression, though, in any way are proven in the process, in my opinion, the truth is that it would be very strange if they didn't exist. The disappearance of a child, is dead or alive, has been kidnapped or not, cannot fail to cause huge sequels of this type. It would be very strange if this does not happen.

I find the underlined phrase quite intriguing...

Offline sadie

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« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2014, 02:05:16 PM »
And not forgetting of course that his evil book meant that Oprah didn't want them on her show, Lorraine wouldn't let them on the sofa & Gerry couldn't show his face at work again.

'the damage to them and their reputations is obvious..'

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That book wasn't circulating or known by most people then ... so its evil contents weren't known either.  Since then the awful stuff has been promoted, like fact, all over the internet and on chat shows.

The sceptics propaganda has been very successful.  Mighty organisational skills they have.  I wonder just who is behind them ?

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral explains what the current trial is all about.
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2014, 02:11:46 PM »
Where did he state that?

He didn't Carana, he was at the Christmas carol service with them.
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Re: Gonçalo Amaral explains what the current trial is all about.
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2014, 02:14:45 PM »
Why did the mccanns feel the need to meet 'celebs' ?

Was it to obtain kudos ?