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Offline Brietta

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2014, 09:19:42 PM »
The feeling I get from the little I know of Dr Amaral’s book is not that he was setting the record straight but that he was settling a score with the Drs McCann who he blamed for his downfall. 

I think the most unfortunate thing about it is that had he written a more considered book, it would still have sold and made a lot of money for him. 

Much of the misinformation which has fed the campaigns against Madeleine’s family would not have happened; the libel trial wouldn’t have happened.

Hopefully the new book will redress the balance and provide the unbiased version of events that could never have been given by those who were so involved in them.

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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2014, 09:35:28 PM »
The feeling I get from the little I know of Dr Amaral’s book is not that he was setting the record straight but that he was settling a score with the Drs McCann who he blamed for his downfall. 

I think the most unfortunate thing about it is that had he written a more considered book, it would still have sold and made a lot of money for him. 

Much of the misinformation which has fed the campaigns against Madeleine’s family would not have happened; the libel trial wouldn’t have happened.

Hopefully the new book will redress the balance and provide the unbiased version of events that could never have been given by those who were so involved in them.


'many'  meaning the mccann supporters.
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Offline Carana

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2014, 09:38:17 PM »
The feeling I get from the little I know of Dr Amaral’s book is not that he was setting the record straight but that he was settling a score with the Drs McCann who he blamed for his downfall. 

I think the most unfortunate thing about it is that had he written a more considered book, it would still have sold and made a lot of money for him. 

Much of the misinformation which has fed the campaigns against Madeleine’s family would not have happened; the libel trial wouldn’t have happened.

Hopefully the new book will redress the balance and provide the unbiased version of events that could never have been given by those who were so involved in them.

I agree.

He could have written a best-seller in a different way. He could have moaned to his heart's content about the challenges in a complex investigation without insisting on any particular "conclusion".
 
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Offline John

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2014, 09:53:25 PM »
The feeling I get from the little I know of Dr Amaral’s book is not that he was setting the record straight but that he was settling a score with the Drs McCann who he blamed for his downfall. 

Was he right?  Some might argue that he was correct on both counts.   His hypothesis is as yet unproven either way and we know Método 3 made attempts to target him using Marcos Correia. 
Who paid Método 3 or maybe they did it for free or maybe it was all one big mistake? 
« Last Edit: July 26, 2014, 09:56:52 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2014, 10:18:57 PM »
Was he right?  Some might argue that he was correct on both counts.   His hypothesis is as yet unproven either way and we know Método 3 made attempts to target him using Marcos Correia
Who paid Método 3 or maybe they did it for free or maybe it was all one big mistake? 

What substantiates that idea?

There may well have been contact at some point if had said that he may have had info to share as to where Madeleine might be.

But beyond that?



Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2014, 10:53:50 PM »
The Tribunal de Relação de Lisboa in October 2010 did not think that the book was full of barmy theories.
Then they must have been barmy too.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2014, 11:13:18 PM »
Then they must have been barmy too.

Very possibly Alfred but they have the benefit of having the most rings up their sleeves so can pull rank!!
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2014, 04:11:38 PM »
Oh another book!  how lovely and it finds that the parents involvement in their daughters fate to be 'unfounded'

Some people do live in a parallel universe- they pop in and out-pick and choose which truth they want to believe and run with it...

The parents involvement in their daughters fate(what ever that was/is) is very founded indeed.

Indeed it is central to this whole phenomenon of; "where's Maddie"

The evidence is indisputable: Parents leave three young children alone in an apartment- they were not keeping to a strict time line for checking their children, and even admitted they used a 'listening' type of method (David Payne and wife used a baby monitoring system-bought from many baby shops).

They knew their children were light sleepers, they had a conversation with 3 year old maddie who questioned them about their absence in the flat when one of them woke up crying, AND as Gerry testified  he 'felt' someone was in the apartment that night- why the hell not check the whole apartment?
They were negligent as parents and are very responsible for their daughters fate (what ever that was /is).

They are also responsible for the enduring  psychological harm suffered by  their twins as a a result  of that night.

Very founded indeed!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline sadie

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2014, 07:13:31 PM »
Oh another book!  how lovely and it finds that the parents involvement in their daughters fate to be 'unfounded'

Some people do live in a parallel universe- they pop in and out-pick and choose which truth they want to believe and run with it...

The parents involvement in their daughters fate(what ever that was/is) is very founded indeed.

Indeed it is central to this whole phenomenon of; "where's Maddie"

The evidence is indisputable: Parents leave three young children alone in an apartment- they were not keeping to a strict time line for checking their children, and even admitted they used a 'listening' type of method (David Payne and wife used a baby monitoring system-bought from many baby shops).

They knew their children were light sleepers, they had a conversation with 3 year old maddie who questioned them about their absence in the flat when one of them woke up crying, AND as Gerry testified  he 'felt' someone was in the apartment that night- why the hell not check the whole apartment?
They were negligent as parents and are very responsible for their daughters fate (what ever that was /is).

They are also responsible for the enduring  psychological harm suffered by  their twins as a a result  of that night.

Very founded indeed!

What part do you think you and your allies will have in any enduring psychological harm to the twins ?
What part do you think that Amarals book will have in any enduring psychological harm to the twins ?

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #69 on: July 27, 2014, 07:18:23 PM »
What part do you think you and your allies will have in any enduring psychological harm to the twins ?
What part do you think that Amarals book will have in any enduring psychological harm to the twins ?

Now who is responsible for all this ?

The people who demonstrated 'responsible parenting skills' ?
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stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #70 on: July 27, 2014, 07:25:10 PM »
Any major psychological damage to the twins will be done by deliberately undermining their faith in their parents.

You, personally, are guilty of that a thousand fold.

No sadie.

They are responsible for what happened  by placing their socializing in front of their children's safety.

Making yet another personal attack on me won't change that.

Offline pegasus

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #71 on: July 27, 2014, 07:39:16 PM »
The feeling I get from the little I know of Dr Amaral’s book is not that he was setting the record straight but that he was settling a score with the Drs McCann who he blamed for his downfall. 

I think the most unfortunate thing about it is that had he written a more considered book, it would still have sold and made a lot of money for him. 

Much of the misinformation which has fed the campaigns against Madeleine’s family would not have happened; the libel trial wouldn’t have happened.

Hopefully the new book will redress the balance and provide the unbiased version of events that could never have been given by those who were so involved in them.
It is easy to know as much as you wish about the book A Verdade Da Mentira - because the entire text - translated into English - is here
http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.co.uk/
The judge for one would not dream of assessing the book without actually reading it.

Offline pegasus

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #72 on: July 27, 2014, 08:00:08 PM »
The author also looked at the available evidence when he wrote The File on the Tsar and concluded the tsarina and her daughters had survived the massacre in the Ekaterniburg cellar and escaped towards Perm. Of course we now know that the whole imperial family did in fact perish and thus Mr Summer's research has been discredited.

As I said on the whole I do admire Summer's and his work but as demonstrated above even he is susceptible to wanting the fairy tale to be true and constructing his evidence to support it.
Yes the 1976 book was proven wrong by the later finding of the bodies and their identification by DNA.
This is admitted honestly in the updated preface of the current edition:
"we accept that the current discoveries may have proved us wrong, that the evidence for the survival of the tsarina and her daughters for some time after the tsar's murder may be ill-founded"

Offline faithlilly

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #73 on: July 27, 2014, 08:08:53 PM »
Yes the 1976 book was proven wrong by the later finding of the bodies and their identification by DNA.
This is admitted honestly in the updated preface of the current edition:
"we accept that the current discoveries may have proved us wrong, that the evidence for the survival of the tsarina and her daughters for some time after the tsar's murder may be ill-founded"

I wonder if we will be reading a similar preface to the updated edition of Looking for Madeleine in a few years time Pegasus ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Benice

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #74 on: July 27, 2014, 08:14:27 PM »
No sadie.

They are responsible for what happened  by placing their socializing in front of their children's safety.

Making yet another personal attack on me won't change that.


Even as we speak Stephen there will be holidaymakers who will be sitting with their Baby alarms on the table/bar - having left their children asleep in their rooms while they go for their evening meal.   And those people will NOT be checking on them every half an hour - they will be relying on their Alarms.      Some parents will have signed up for the baby listening service.

And as long as none of their children disappear whilst they are doing this - we will never ever hear a word  about them  -  and you can carry on posting - as if it's a fact -  that the  McCanns are the only parents on the planet who ever used this  method  of  baby-checking.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal