Jeremy Bamber - What it means to be in Prison today

[only me]

This is not a shock to me.  I've been advertising  a job vacancy for over a month, and the standard of literacy from the younger applicants makes me sad...really, genuinely, sad. 

I know this is a whole 'nother discussion, but we've raised a generation of kids who have no real hope. 

[John]

Just for the record Jackie.., Julie wasn't nude in the News of the World article, and the photos weren't necessarily taken specially for it.

From my understanding there are two sets of photographs.

Sheila had some tasteful nudes done to promote her career.  The semi nudes used by the NOTW were other older pictures she had taken.

I think Jackie's post #23 is referring to the picture below of Julie Mugford, not to those of Sheila Caffell, which were salted away by Jeremy Bamber.

Oh your right.  We seem to have gone off at a tangent.  I haven't seen the NOTW article, has anyone got a copy or a link to it I wonder?

[Myster]

Just for the record Jackie.., Julie wasn't nude in the News of the World article, and the photos weren't necessarily taken specially for it.

From my understanding there are two sets of photographs.

Sheila had some tasteful nudes done to promote her career.  The semi nudes used by the NOTW were other older pictures she had taken.

I think Jackie's post #23 is referring to the picture below of Julie Mugford, not to those of Sheila Caffell, which were salted away by Jeremy Bamber.

Oh your right.  We seem to have gone off at a tangent.  I haven't seen the NOTW article, has anyone got a copy or a link to it I wonder?

I don' t think you'll find one on the internet, maybe in microfiched archives of the News of the World.
These were taken off the ITV documentary, with what looks like a November 9th. 1986 date on the front.

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[abs]

Wonder how many extra £ JM got for agreeing to that photo featured in the article. Jeezaz, this is not normal behaviour, no matter what you guys say!

[John]

Wonder how many extra £ JM got for agreeing to that photo featured in the article. Jeezaz, this is not normal behaviour, no matter what you guys say!

That's the tabloid gutter-press for you.   I would say the photos were taken after the trial so Julie probably thought, what the hell!

[Myster]

Wonder how many extra £ JM got for agreeing to that photo featured in the article. Jeezaz, this is not normal behaviour, no matter what you guys say!

The copyright for the photo usually rests with the photographer so Julie may not have had any say in the matter.
The paper could have ferreted around to find out who took them, possibly from a session year or two before, and then paid him to publish without her knowledge.

[jackiepreece]

John there is the whole news of the world article on the JB site because I posted it, someone sent it to me and there is definitely a racy Julie Mugford picture.

I don't know if it's been deleted because I was banned for life

[Tim Invictus]

I get your point about luxuries Jo but remember he can't even have a pot noodle or a walk or anything else that constitutes normal everyday life.

Actually he can, they have a shop service in most prisons now.  You fill in an order form and an officer goes out and shops for the stuff.  Some supermarkets even do a pick and delivery service to prisons now.

He can also have a walk outside at certain times..they call it exercise.   

You don't mean outside the prison walks do you John? No chance of that with Cat A prisoners .... I remember whe the warden did that with Myra Hindley and there was a massive outcry.

[goatboy]

When Julie came forward to confess what she knew to the police she says she was constantly harrassed by journalists. In the end her solicitor told her the only way to get them off her back would have been to arrange an exclusive deal with one of the papers-this was all because of her solicitor's advice, in fact she said the solicitor actually negotiated the fee if I remember rightly. She also says that didn't put an end to being hassled by journalists but she has never sold another story to the press about it since despite many offers. I very much doubt she would have had much of a say in the eventual piece and probably was told to pose for those pictures and felt pressurised to do what she was asked-I'm sure she could have refused though and certainly not refusing to pose for those semi naked pictures was very ill advised.

[Tim Invictus]

When Julie came forward to confess what she knew to the police she says she was constantly harrassed by journalists. In the end her solicitor told her the only way to get them off her back would have been to arrange an exclusive deal with one of the papers-this was all because of her solicitor's advice, in fact she said the solicitor actually negotiated the fee if I remember rightly. She also says that didn't put an end to being hassled by journalists but she has never sold another story to the press about it since despite many offers. I very much doubt she would have had much of a say in the eventual piece and probably was told to pose for those pictures and felt pressurised to do what she was asked-I'm sure she could have refused though and certainly not refusing to pose for those semi naked pictures was very ill advised.

That's what I read too Goat. And you make a good point, Julie has never exploited the situation after the NOTW article and she could easily have made a book deal at the time and earned a small fortune.

Abs I don't think anyone is saying that NOTW article is in anything but very bad taste. Julie sold her soul a little with that move!

[Admin]

When Julie came forward to confess what she knew to the police she says she was constantly harrassed by journalists. In the end her solicitor told her the only way to get them off her back would have been to arrange an exclusive deal with one of the papers-this was all because of her solicitor's advice, in fact she said the solicitor actually negotiated the fee if I remember rightly. She also says that didn't put an end to being hassled by journalists but she has never sold another story to the press about it since despite many offers. I very much doubt she would have had much of a say in the eventual piece and probably was told to pose for those pictures and felt pressurised to do what she was asked-I'm sure she could have refused though and certainly not refusing to pose for those semi naked pictures was very ill advised.

That's what I read too Goat. And you make a good point, Julie has never exploited the situation after the NOTW article and she could easily have made a book deal at the time and earned a small fortune.

Abs I don't think anyone is saying that NOTW article is in anything but very bad taste. Julie sold her soul a little with that move!

In fact Julie won't even speak to the Press or anyone else for that matter.  We know, we tried.

[Admin]

I get your point about luxuries Jo but remember he can't even have a pot noodle or a walk or anything else that constitutes normal everyday life.

Actually he can, they have a shop service in most prisons now.  You fill in an order form and an officer goes out and shops for the stuff.  Some supermarkets even do a pick and delivery service to prisons now.

He can also have a walk outside at certain times..they call it exercise.   

You don't mean outside the prison walks do you John? No chance of that with Cat A prisoners .... I remember whe the warden did that with Myra Hindley and there was a massive outcry.

Quite right Tim.  Think John means outside in the fresh air rather than outside the walls.   

[Tim Invictus]

I get your point about luxuries Jo but remember he can't even have a pot noodle or a walk or anything else that constitutes normal everyday life.

Actually he can, they have a shop service in most prisons now.  You fill in an order form and an officer goes out and shops for the stuff.  Some supermarkets even do a pick and delivery service to prisons now.

He can also have a walk outside at certain times..they call it exercise.   

You don't mean outside the prison walks do you John? No chance of that with Cat A prisoners .... I remember whe the warden did that with Myra Hindley and there was a massive outcry.

Quite right Tim.  Think John means outside in the fresh air rather than outside the walls.   

No matter how good or bad the facilities it must be really horrible to be incarcerated over christmas when everyone else is celebrating with their family.

Shouldn't have killed them all should he!

[ActualMat]

When Julie came forward to confess what she knew to the police she says she was constantly harrassed by journalists. In the end her solicitor told her the only way to get them off her back would have been to arrange an exclusive deal with one of the papers-this was all because of her solicitor's advice, in fact she said the solicitor actually negotiated the fee if I remember rightly. She also says that didn't put an end to being hassled by journalists but she has never sold another story to the press about it since despite many offers. I very much doubt she would have had much of a say in the eventual piece and probably was told to pose for those pictures and felt pressurised to do what she was asked-I'm sure she could have refused though and certainly not refusing to pose for those semi naked pictures was very ill advised.

That's what I read too Goat. And you make a good point, Julie has never exploited the situation after the NOTW article and she could easily have made a book deal at the time and earned a small fortune.

Abs I don't think anyone is saying that NOTW article is in anything but very bad taste. Julie sold her soul a little with that move!

In fact Julie won't even speak to the Press or anyone else for that matter.  We know, we tried.

We tried to open this door during the CCRC submissions, she doesn't even take phone calls anymore and doesn't have a cell phone due to the press uncovering her number time after time.

[John]

When Julie came forward to confess what she knew to the police she says she was constantly harrassed by journalists. In the end her solicitor told her the only way to get them off her back would have been to arrange an exclusive deal with one of the papers-this was all because of her solicitor's advice, in fact she said the solicitor actually negotiated the fee if I remember rightly. She also says that didn't put an end to being hassled by journalists but she has never sold another story to the press about it since despite many offers. I very much doubt she would have had much of a say in the eventual piece and probably was told to pose for those pictures and felt pressurised to do what she was asked-I'm sure she could have refused though and certainly not refusing to pose for those semi naked pictures was very ill advised.

That's what I read too Goat. And you make a good point, Julie has never exploited the situation after the NOTW article and she could easily have made a book deal at the time and earned a small fortune.

Abs I don't think anyone is saying that NOTW article is in anything but very bad taste. Julie sold her soul a little with that move!

In fact Julie won't even speak to the Press or anyone else for that matter.  We know, we tried.

We tried to open this door during the CCRC submissions, she doesn't even take phone calls anymore and doesn't have a cell phone due to the press uncovering her number time after time.

Oh I got through to her with little difficulty just before the CCRC was due to make their decision.   

It was around the time I spoke with Nick Martin at the Winnipeg Free Press.