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Re: Ccat: Who does that pile of folders/ papers belong to?
« Reply #180 on: August 22, 2014, 02:50:52 PM »
They don't know. Kate couldn't remember and Gerry was admiring how beautiful she was. Gerry said she was on top of the covers because it was very hot.

Kate: She was under the covers, she thinks, because it was a bit cold

Gerry: Madeleine was lying down on her left side, completely uncovered, i.e. lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and blanket, both pink, next to her head.

GM.  'I'd just like to reiterate that this isn't a four-year-old girl, errm... walking off somewhere during the day or in the evening, you know, she was tucked up in bed, errm... and there's no way she... she could have got out on her own.'
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« Reply #181 on: August 22, 2014, 02:55:54 PM »
If there was no bump, as you would expect to find, if someone was in the bed........................What would you do next?

Strange how Kate doesn't mention searching the bed during their reconstruction then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw&feature=player_detailpage#t=54

 

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« Reply #182 on: August 22, 2014, 03:05:34 PM »

She never mentions it on Crimewatch either.

She she was looking at Madeleines bed & couldn't quite make her out & then realised actually she's not in her bed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y#t=896

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Re: Ccat: Who does that pile of folders/ papers belong to?
« Reply #183 on: August 22, 2014, 03:06:35 PM »
Strange how Kate doesn't mention searching the bed during their reconstruction then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw&feature=player_detailpage#t=54

If there was no bump, as you would expect to find, if someone was in the bed........................What would you do next?

The PJ asked her why she was sat on it? Sitting on the bed would leave a bump.
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« Reply #184 on: August 22, 2014, 03:08:58 PM »
If there was no bump, as you would expect to find, if someone was in the bed........................What would you do next?

Check elsewhere. In the initial seconds, it wasn't a panic situation.

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« Reply #185 on: August 22, 2014, 03:11:00 PM »
The PJ asked her why she was sat on it? Sitting on the bed would leave a bump.

In which statement is it mentioned that Kate sat on Madeleine's bed? And if she had, how would that leave a bump?

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« Reply #186 on: August 22, 2014, 03:11:28 PM »
Strange how Kate doesn't mention searching the bed during their reconstruction then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw&feature=player_detailpage#t=54

You are right, She did not mention pulling the covers back to check, but its something that most mums would do!
   Did she get everything perfect and remember everything in the programme?
 Was the crime scene not a mess, where a lot of people had been searching ?
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« Reply #187 on: August 22, 2014, 03:19:47 PM »
You are right, She did not mention pulling the covers back to check, but its something that most mums would do!
   Did she get everything perfect and remember everything in the programme?
 Was the crime scene not a mess, where a lot of people had been searching ?

So why didn't she mention it in either reconstruction?

Or ever for that matter?
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Re: Ccat: Who does that pile of folders/ papers belong to?
« Reply #188 on: August 22, 2014, 03:23:36 PM »
So why didn't she mention it in either reconstruction?

Or ever for that matter?

I have no idea.
 Did anyone mention looking under the bed or would these searches have been included in searched everywhere?
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« Reply #189 on: August 22, 2014, 03:29:34 PM »
I have no idea.
 Did anyone mention looking under the bed or would these searches have been included in searched everywhere?

How about in her account of the truth, does she mention searching the bed & moving the bed covers in there?

Why look under the bed when she knew she'd been taken?

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Re: Ccat: Who does that pile of folders/ papers belong to?
« Reply #190 on: August 22, 2014, 03:32:00 PM »
I have no idea.
 Did anyone mention looking under the bed or would these searches have been included in searched everywhere?

Several people mentioned having looked in various places, including Fiona. Whether they remember where they actually looked, or just gave examples, may be a different matter. What was important at the time is that they'd looked and she wasn't anywhere.

There was no reason for the PJ officer to note with precision every place that they had checked - he just needed to be satisfied that people had checked in plausible places and that the child was indeed missing in order to file his report.

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« Reply #191 on: August 22, 2014, 03:39:40 PM »
How about in her account of the truth, does she mention searching the bed & moving the bed covers in there?

Why look under the bed when she knew she'd been taken?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WLvnfcl-Zkg#t=1372

Have you ever been in a similar situation? I really have no problem with the concept of sensing something instinctively and checking remote possibiities, just in case.

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« Reply #192 on: August 22, 2014, 03:42:46 PM »
Have you ever been in a similar situation? I really have no problem with the concept of sensing something instinctively and checking remote possibiities, just in case.

She hasn't once mentioned (in her book, 2 reconstructions, numerous interviews) checking either under the bed or moving the bed clothes, as far as I know.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #193 on: August 22, 2014, 04:22:44 PM »
Her bed was found neat, as it was in CSI photos and there Is no way of knowing whether or not, they had been disturbed and reset, so just a possibility .
 Kate searched the whole apartment......Covers everything, so no need for her to itemise. just for our benefit surely!
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Faced with this altered situation, she verified that the twins were in their beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was neatly pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, and already quite scared and unnerved, she returned to the restaurant, and alerted her husband and the rest of the group to the disappearance. The group immediately headed to the club, and set about searching in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc... as well as in the apartment with the help of employees. At the same time, they contacted the authorities, which would later arrive.

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« Reply #194 on: August 22, 2014, 04:39:00 PM »
Her bed was found neat, as it was in CSI photos and there Is no way of knowing whether or not, they had been disturbed and reset, so just a possibility .
 Kate searched the whole apartment......Covers everything, so no need for her to itemise. just for our benefit surely!
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Faced with this altered situation, she verified that the twins were in their beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was neatly pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, and already quite scared and unnerved, she returned to the restaurant, and alerted her husband and the rest of the group to the disappearance. The group immediately headed to the club, and set about searching in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc... as well as in the apartment with the help of employees. At the same time, they contacted the authorities, which would later arrive.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post411.html#p411

So, she didn't move the cover then.

She could see that the cover was neatly pulled back.
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