Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.

[pathfinder73]

The words which are attributed to Aoife are as follows:

Tinha uma blusa também clara, de mangas compridas.

Which translates literally as, 'Also had a light blouse with long sleeves.'

Thank you John. I believe she was wearing her short sleeved pyjamas underneath that long sleeved top and it was discarded.

[pegasus]

Thanks wonderfulspam. "almo.." is an interesting word.

BTW the sleeping 2 year old girl seen by JT did have a light pink blanket on her.
Not on her lower legs.
But on her torso.
That it why the light pink blanket is in the SY girl clothing photo.
JT did not realise it was a blanket.
However you can see in the coloured sketch she helped to produce, that what she thought was the pyjama top, is actually the light pink blanket in the SY clothing photo.

[a.baker]

If Tannermans child had a pink blanket with her and Madeleine's pink blanket was photographed still on her bed,why did anyone ever believe Tannermans child was  Madeleine in the first place?

[pegasus]

If Tannermans child had a pink blanket with her and Madeleine's pink blanket was photographed still on her bed,why did anyone ever believe Tannermans child was  Madeleine in the first place?

Because it was only in 2013 that SY identified the girl seen by JT and photographed that girl's blanket.

[sadie]

Because it was only in 2013 that SY identified the girl seen by JT and photographed that girl's blanket.

Have you ever wondered if there were two or more pink blankets in Madeleines room?   Just because only one is mentioned doesn't necessarily mean that there was only one.


Pegasus, are you absolutely certain that Tannerman was carrying a pink blanket, cos I dont recall mention of it.

[pegasus]

Have you ever wondered if there were two or more pink blankets in Madeleines room?   Just because only one is mentioned doesn't necessarily mean that there was only one.


Pegasus, are you absolutely certain that Tannerman was carrying a pink blanket, cos I dont recall mention of it.

In SY's press release about the english dad whom SY identified as the man seen by JT, is an SY photo of the three fabric items which were on that dad's 2-yr old when he carried her at night. A pyjama top, pyjama trousers, and a light pink blanket. Why did SY include the light pink blanket in that photo? It can only be because that dad gave the blanket to SY and said this is what I used when I carried child home at night. I see absolutely no other possible explanation for why SY included that blanket in that SY photo. And IMO it matches the pink item on the girl's upper body in the coloured sketch which JT helped to produce in 2007.

[Benice]

In SY's press release about the english dad whom SY identified as the man seen by JT, is an SY photo of the three fabric items which were on that dad's 2-yr old when he carried her at night. A pyjama top, pyjama trousers, and a light pink blanket. Why did SY include the light pink blanket in that photo? It can only be because that dad gave the blanket to SY and said this is what I used when I carried child home at night. I see absolutely no other possible explanation for why SY included that blanket in that SY photo. And IMO it matches the pink item on the girl's upper body in the coloured sketch which JT helped to produce in 2007.

I always thought that 'pinky area' was where the artist had deliberately blanked out that part of the child's body which Jane Tanner did not see and so could not give a description for the artist to reproduce.   

[sadie]

In SY's press release about the english dad whom SY identified as the man seen by JT, is an SY photo of the three fabric items which were on that dad's 2-yr old when he carried her at night. A pyjama top, pyjama trousers, and a light pink blanket. Why did SY include the light pink blanket in that photo? It can only be because that dad gave the blanket to SY and said this is what I used when I carried child home at night. I see absolutely no other possible explanation for why SY included that blanket in that SY photo. And IMO it matches the pink item on the girl's upper body in the coloured sketch which JT helped to produce in 2007 http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/zztannerabductorsketches.jpg

Pink Blanket:

Just as I thought.  You are not talking about Tannerman.  You are talking about Innocentman.

The two may, or may not, be the same man.

Personally I think there are two men here.  One carrying Madeleine with no blanket and one carrying his own daughter with a blanket.   But none of us know.  Jane Tanner would tho.  She knows when she saw the man.

[slartibartfast]

Pink Blanket:

Just as I thought.  You are not talking about Tannerman.  You are talking about Innocentman.

The two may, or may not, be the same man.

Personally I think there are two men here.  One carrying Madeleine with no blanket and one carrying his own daughter with a blanket.   But none of us know.  Jane Tanner would tho.  She knows when she saw the man.

SY seem to brilliant except when discounting Tannerman...

[sadie]

I always thought that 'pinky area' was where the artist had deliberately blanked out that part of the child's body which Jane Tanner did not see and so could not give a description for the artist to reproduce.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/zztannerabductorsketches.jpg


You are absolutely correct Benice.  Seems Jane was unable to describe the upper body properly, maybe it didn't totally register.  The artist not wanting to leave just two legs and a void above experimented with the upper body.  You can see that from the three images.  Personally I find the middle image the most likely to be correct.  But perhaps as you say, the artist just left a void......

We shall never know.


Only my opinion but based upon almost 60 years of figure drawing

[pegasus]

Pink Blanket:

Just as I thought.  You are not talking about Tannerman.  You are talking about Innocentman.

The two may, or may not, be the same man.

Personally I think there are two men here.  One carrying Madeleine with no blanket and one carrying his own daughter with a blanket.   But none of us know.  Jane Tanner would tho.  She knows when she saw the man.

But Sadie the girl whom JT saw cannot possibly be the missing girl.
JT definitely saw the pyjama legs extending well below the knees.
The pyjamas the missing girl was wearing had short legs which would have ended above the knees in the carrying position JT described.
The length of the pyjama legs in the JT sighting IMO proves that the girl JT saw was not the missing girl.

And the length of the pyjama arms in the Smith sighting IMO proves that was not the missing girl either.
KM statement 4 May 2007: "short-sleeved top"
AS statement 26 May 2007: "top with long sleeves"

[sadie]

But Sadie the girl whom JT saw cannot possibly be the missing girl.
JT definitely saw the pyjama legs extending well below the knees.
The pyjamas the missing girl was wearing had short legs which would have ended above the knees in the carrying position JT described.
The length of the pyjama legs in the JT sighting IMO proves that the girl JT saw was not the missing girl.

And the length of the pyjama arms in the Smith sighting IMO proves that was not the missing girl either.
KM statement 4 May 2007: "short-sleeved top"
AS statement 26 May 2007: "top with long sleeves"

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id185.html

Holding up a small pair of pink and flowery pyjamas, Kate McCann described exactly what her eldest daughter was wearing when she was snatched on May 3.

The poignant description was given as part of BBC1's Crimewatch appeal to help the couple find their little girl.

Looking exhausted, she spoke in detail about the light pink top with capped sleeves and a picture of the cartoon character Eeyore curled up - the words "Sleepy Eeyore" written underneath.

Next she produced white cotton pyjama bottoms, covered with small flowers and another Eeyore motif on the right leg.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/crimewatchappeal.jpg


But, of course, the pyjamas she was holding so carefully in her lap were not Madeleine's, but those of Madeleine's younger sister, two-year-old Amelie.


The pyjamas we have all been calling Madeleines, were actually A****s ... nappy pyjamas, so sorry Pegasus but you cannot assume that Madeleines were the same shape.  In fact they would not have been.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCAToDoXX3dWOwBhGaCOVgjW2ujxwWgja3WG9e6drlXNnNvVp7z5Jaxw


SY recognised the difference.  I wonder why didn't we? 

How inobservant of me !   

[pegasus]

This photo is not of the sister's pyjamas:

It is from the files and it is of pyjamas which the PJ obtained from M&S with the specific purpose of getting pyjamas identical to those the missing child was wearing.

"equal in make, model, size, colours and designs ... to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance" (Source: processos page 1713).

Note the short legs.

[sadie]

This photo is not of the sister's pyjamas:

It is from the files and it is of pyjamas which the PJ obtained from M&S with the specific purpose of getting pyjamas identical to those the missing child was wearing.

"equal in make, model, size, colours and designs ... to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance" (Source: processos page 1713).

Note the short legs.

Those look like nappy pyjamas to me Pegasus.



.... but in any case, for a rough test, measure the length shoulder to hem of the top.  Compare that to the length waist to trouser bottom.  The trousers are considerably longer.  Mentally note the ratio extra length to top length.


Now if you are wearing a t-shirt, may I suggest that
-  you slip it off and hold it upside down from the bottom hem,
-  then hang it upside down with the shirt bottom hem in line with your waist. 
-  Look down and see where the shoulders of your T-shirt come and add a good bit corresponding to the difference in length of Jammie top to jammie bottom [the total being an approximation to the jammie length].

This will vary between us somewhat , but in my case the jammie trousers would have been well down my calves, nearer my ankles than my knees.


I have never done child figure drawing but from memory, I think young children have longer trunks relative to their legs, than adults do.

So those jammies pictured could be virtually, or even, full length



Sorry, I have to go now.  May be back later.

[pegasus]

The  pyjamas in this photo from the police files are labelled for child height approx 97cm and are "equal in model and size" to those the missing girl was wearing.
In the across-the-arms carrying position these pyjama legs would ride up above the knees.