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Offline John

Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« on: August 02, 2014, 04:38:56 PM »
Smithman was reported as carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas but Madeleine's parents reported that she was dressed in short sleeved pyjamas when she disappeared.

According to Aoife Smith, the man she and her family encountered in Praia da Luz on the night that Madeleine McCann disappeared was carrying a child wearing long sleeved pyjamas.  Aoife Smith's statement

The pyjamas which Madeleine wore on the night she disappeared were of the short sleeved style as per the images shown below.

Unless Aoife was mistaken, Smithman was not carrying Madeleine McCann.



Pyjamas identical to those worn by Madeleine McCann when she disappeared.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 06:33:36 PM »
If Maddie really was abducted, and the Smith's sighting wasn't Gerry, then Kate had absolutely no reason to lie/mislead about the details of the 2 sightings....

But she did, it's here for all to see......


Madeleine Was Here (7th May 2009)

Voice over: 'The most likely sighting of Madeleine was by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns.'
'In the files Kate believes another witness statement from an Irish family describes a very similar sighting to Jane's.'

KM: 'There's actually quite a lot of similarities & it does beg the question, I mean how many people carry their children on a cold night not covered, y'know, nothing on their arms or their feet. no blanket.

'Now either there's been 2 people carrying children in that way, who haven't come forward to eliminate themselves or potentially they are related.'

Interviewer: But you think that child is Madeleine?

KM: I think there's a good chance it could be Madeleine, certainly the description there sounds to me like Madeleine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fRQQWmpiO3s#t=265


McCanns on Oprah (4th May 2009)

Gerry : "Jane went to check on her children and it was at that point she was just passed us going up to the corner and she saw a man carrying a young girl with almo.. she described independently the pyjamas that Madeleine had on.."

Kate: "The child was barefoot and bare armed..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xNI5up44Nho#t=820


*Jane Tanner didn't see the child's arms...


The McCann's reconstruction has Smithman carrying the child in a manner which was not as described in the Smith family witness statements. Instead, it depicts him carrying the child in the manner of Bundleman, as was described by Jane Tanner, in her sighting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=na4aBr5PTYY#t=348



Crimewatch Reconstruction (October 2013)

Smithman's child is shown wearing long sleeves, as was described in Aiofe's witness statement.

The manner of carrying is as described in the Smith's witness statements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y#t=1406


There is no innocent reason for Kate, & the McCanns own reconstruction, to have done that.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2014, 03:31:43 PM »
.....Who changed her pyjamas & happened to be mistaken for her father.

They are clever like that.

I am a bit lost on The Pyjama thing.  Who said anyone changed them?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 03:44:37 PM »
Smithmans child wore long sleeved pyjamas.

Madeleine, supposedly, went to bed in the short sleeved Eeyore pair which toured Europe.

then smithman was not carrying maddie

Offline Eleanor

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 03:59:48 PM »
Madeleine "Supposedly" went to bed in short sleeved pyjamas?  Do we know this for a fact?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 04:07:20 PM »
Thank you for that.  But they won't have the actual pyjamas that Madeleine was supposedly wearing.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2014, 02:22:26 PM by Mr Moderator »

Offline Benice

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 04:07:45 PM »
Madeleine "Supposedly" went to bed in short sleeved pyjamas?  Do we know this for a fact?

IIRC Kate confirmed the short sleeves Eleanor.   The description of  'long sleeves' could well be a flawed memory.  No self respecting policeman would dismiss the whole of someone's description of two people on the strength of one discrepancy.

The police are well aware of how fallible memories are and do not expect witnesses to have perfect recall. 

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2014, 04:08:19 PM »
What's your take on Smithman then?

Why are SY bothering with him, given that his child is wearing the wrong pyjamas & therefore it obviously isn't the abductor?

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Offline jassi

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2014, 04:10:08 PM »
Thank you for that.  But they won't have the actual pyjamas that Madeleine was supposedly wearing.


No, but didn't they hold up an allegedly identical pair at one of their many interviews ?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2014, 04:12:04 PM »
IIRC Kate confirmed the short sleeves Eleanor.   The description of  'long sleeves' could well be a flawed memory.  No self respecting policeman would dismiss the whole of someone's description of two people on the strength of one discrepancy.

The police are well aware of how fallible memories are and do not expect witnesses to have perfect recall.

The description of  'long sleeves' could well be a flawed memory.

Or she could infact be correct, given that Aiofe remembered that her arms were by her side, so, she got a half decent look at those arms then.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2014, 04:12:28 PM »

No, but didn't they hold up an allegedly identical pair at one of their many interviews ?

I don't know.  But I hope that WS has reported this to Scotland Yard.

Offline Brietta

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2014, 08:06:48 PM »
Aoife was the only witness to say that the child being carried was wearing a long sleeved top; if the child was Madeleine, she could simply have been mistaken.

We really have no idea what the NSY take is on Smithman except that if they thought there was the slightest possibility he was Madeleine’s father, they would not have eliminated him from the inquiry.

 1)  Tannerman did not come forward to rule himself out after seven years of his very precise e-fits doing the rounds; NSY checked the crèche records to find him.

 2)  Mr Smith did not get a good look at the man’s face partly because of the poor lighting and it is widely accepted that his later identification of the man as Madeleine’s father has been withdrawn; just as the identification made by Richard and Susan McCluskey in exact circumstances has been discounted - ie they were influenced by images on the media. 
Both misidentifications made in good faith are on record as being unfounded.
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Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2014, 08:21:25 PM »
I think the clincher that Martin Smith no longer believes the man he saw to be Gerry is that he agreed to produce an e-fit.

There is a school of thought that the efit was produced from his description and without his say-so, but I don't accept that at all, in large part because I don't think it would be possible to produce an e-fit that detailed from a written description alone, particularly recorded in reported rather than verbatim form.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2014, 08:26:24 PM »

Aoife was the only witness to say that the child being carried was wearing a long sleeved top; if the child was Madeleine, she could simply have been mistaken.

We really have no idea what the NSY take is on Smithman except that if they thought there was the slightest possibility he was Madeleine's father, they would not have eliminated him from the inquiry.

 1)  Tannerman did not come forward to rule himself out after seven years of his very precise e-fits doing the rounds; NSY checked the crèche records to find him.

 2)  Mr Smith did not get a good look at the man’s face partly because of the poor lighting and it is widely accepted that his later identification of the man as Madeleine’s father has been withdrawn; just as the identification made by Richard and Susan McCluskey in exact circumstances has been discounted - ie they were influenced by images on the media. 
Both misidentifications made in good faith are on record as being unfounded.


Innocent creche dad completed an LC questionnaire in 2007.

'Bungling police had 'prime suspect' details for SIX YEARS without realising'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/editors-picks/madeleine-mccann-bungling-police-prime-2965027

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2014, 05:22:34 PM »

Mrs McCann then ran down to the rest of the party shouting, ‘Madeleine’s gone! Someone’s taken her!’ As everyone rushed back and began to search, Mrs McCann ran into the car park yelling her lost daughter’s name. In extracts printed by The Sun, she tells of how windy it was, and says she kept imagining how cold Madeleine would be in her short-sleeved  Eeyore pyjamas, and wishing she’d had her warmer Barbie pyjamas on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384421/Kate-McCann-Im-tortured-thought-Maddie-abused-paedophile.html
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