Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.

[Alice Purjorick]

I believe you could be right about this Brietta but not for the reasons you might think.  I believe Jane did see a carrier that evening and the tourist who purported that it was him is mistaken as are SY.

That sound interesting John (I am more comfortable with "sire" though); would you care to elaborate?

[pathfinder73]

I believe you could be right about this Brietta but not for the reasons you might think.  I believe Jane did see a carrier that evening and the tourist who purported that it was him is mistaken as are SY.

And how was he carrying her?

[Anna]

I believe you could be right about this Brietta but not for the reasons you might think.  I believe Jane did see a carrier that evening and the tourist who purported that it was him is mistaken as are SY.

I agree also that the man seen by JT is possibly not the innocent creche dad. He was going in the wrong direction to have been leaving the creche

[pathfinder73]

I agree also that the man seen by JT is possibly not the innocent creche dad. He was going in the wrong direction to have been leaving the creche

It doesn't make sense for an abductor to be walking in that direction. Full stop. You would go the opposite way for a start. I will just cross the road that leads to the tapas where they all are. Yeah that makes perfect sense. The way he was carrying her should give you a good idea at how small and light the child was i.e. younger than a nearly 4 year old Madeleine.

[Anna]

And how was he carrying her?

When your arms get tired or you are unaccustomed to carrying a child, you would change the position.

[John]

The tourist who came forward provided clothing which he claimed his daughter wore the night Madeleine disappeared (right image) yet we know that Jane Tanner was quite specific and that one of the observations she made in those fleeting seconds was that the carried child had pj's with frilly bottoms (left image).

I find it very hard to believe that Jane got this so wrong.

[pathfinder73]

The tourist who came forward provided clothing which he claimed his daughter wore the night Madeleine disappeared (right) yet we know that Jane Tanner was quite specific and that one of the observations she made in those fleeting seconds was that the carried child had pj's with frilly bottoms.

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Yes and it matches Crecheman's child who has been eliminated by the yard. I wonder where Tanner got frilly bottoms from?

[Anna]

The tourist who came forward provided clothing which he claimed his daughter wore the night Madeleine disappeared (right image) yet we know that Jane Tanner was quite specific and that one of the observations she made in those fleeting seconds was that the carried child had pj's with frilly bottoms (left image).

I find it very hard to believe that Jane got this so wrong.

She wouldnt have reported the sighting and given that discrption for the sake of her health ....in jail!

[pathfinder73]

When your arms get tired or you are unaccustomed to carrying a child, you would change the position.

You've never done much lifting work I take it. You lift in the easiest way especially walking a long distance. The way Smithman was carrying her is the way you would carry a nearly 4 years old Madeleine and not the way Tannerman was. Crecheman was carrying a light 2 year old.

[Anna]

You've never done much lifting work I take it. You lift in the easiest way especially walking a long distance. The way Smithman was carrying her is the way you would carry a nearly 4 years old Madeleine and not the way Tannerman was. Crecheman was carrying a light 2 year old.

If it was crecheman and not another.
Either way he didnt look comfortable carrying the child. You would only carry a child like that for a very short distance...............Like the car park, which may have been relieved of the driver who panicked when he saw Gerry had stopped and had not gone into the restaurant as expected.
Carrying people is a completely different thing, to carrying loads. I have carried plenty of children.

[Lace]

The tourist who came forward provided clothing which he claimed his daughter wore the night Madeleine disappeared (right image) yet we know that Jane Tanner was quite specific and that one of the observations she made in those fleeting seconds was that the carried child had pj's with frilly bottoms (left image).

I find it very hard to believe that Jane got this so wrong.

I thought Jane said she saw a sort of 'turn up'  on the bottom of the Pyjama's.   

[John]

If it was crecheman and not another.
Either way he didnt look comfortable carrying the child. You would only carry a child like that for a very short distance...............Like the car park, which may have been relieved of the driver who panicked when he saw Gerry had stopped and had not gone into the restaurant as expected.
Carrying people is a completely different thing, to carrying loads. I have carried plenty of children.

If there was an accomplice parked up say in the car park opposite mini reception for example, a position where they could see the comings and goings, could his exit have been hampered by the Gerry/Jez chat causing a delay and a potential problem for the carrier? 

 

[John]

Question is, was the frilly bottoms description gleamed from elsewhere?

[pathfinder73]

Question is, was the frilly bottoms description gleamed from elsewhere?

No frilly bottoms in her first statement.

( * ) Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35 – 40, slim physical appearance, about 1.70m tall. Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back (she could only see him from behind). He was wearing linen type cloth trousers, beige to golden in colour, a "duffy" sic type jacket (but not that thick). His shoes were dark in colour, classic type. He had a hurried walk. He was carrying a child, who was lying on both his arms, in front of his chest. By the way he was dressed, he gave her the impression that he was not a tourist, because he was very "warmly dressed".

(**) About the child whom appeared to be sleeping, she only saw her legs. The child appeared to be older than a baby. She was barefoot and was wearing what appeared to be cotton pyjamas of a light colour (possibly white or light pink). She is not certain, but has the impression a design on the pyjamas, possibly a floral pattern, but she is not certain.

[Anna]

Since he would have been the main suspect at the time, would they not have shown the identikit picture with Maddies Jammies ? The first one was eggman IIRC