Smithman was carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas.

[pegasus]

1.They probably think the witness was mistaken, re:-sleeves. I doubt they think that there was a pyjama changer about.
2.They want to find the Dad that the Smith family saw, who ever he was.

I just checked and I was wrong about the Smith family saying she was limp, that was JT's  sighting. Sorry.
She wouldnt lay naturally against her father though.....Would she, if she had been deceased for hours?
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A bit gruesome...sorry, but had to explain the implications of carrying a child who had deceased hours earlier.

1. Yes I guess they have to consider the possibility the witness was mistaken.
2. Yes until they have ruled the sighting out they have to keep going on it.
3. Smiths do describe how the arms were situated.

My opinion is carrying-in-arms-through-the-streets is a ridiculous method for either an abductor or a concealer.
I have read many cases of both types and this method does not feature.

[sadie]

It would not be a very cunning disguise.

Well put Pegasus!

[Anna]

1. Yes I guess they have to consider the possibility the witness was mistaken.
2. Yes until they have ruled the sighting out they have to keep going on it.
3. Smiths do describe how the arms were situated.

My opinion is carrying-in-arms-through-the-streets is a ridiculous method for either an abductor or a concealer.
I have read many cases of both types and this method does not feature.

3. Yes they did , but nothing unusual

In bold:- Unless of course, the person was interupted and had to make a quick escape by foot and hope his accomplice would catch him up in his vehicle when it was safe to do so.

[pegasus]

3. Yes they did , but nothing unusual

In bold:- Unless of course, the person was interupted and had to make a quick escape by foot and hope his accomplice would catch him up in his vehicle when it was safe to do so.

At least one of them describe how the arms were hanging down loosely, and one of them saw the eyes were closed, these two factors indicate the child they saw was asleep, which is a strong indicator that this was not the missing child.

[Anna]

1611 to 1614 Witness testimony of Aoife Smith taken 2007/05/26


*Snip*
— On 30 April 2007 she travelled to Portugal on holiday, specifically to the Algarve. She came with her parents Martin and Mary Smith and her two nieces, AC and EC.
— They stayed in the Estrela Da Luz complex in Praia da Luz where her parents have an apartment.
— When they arrived at the apartment they met her brother, Peter Smith, her sister-in-law, S.McD.Smith, her nephew (six years old), CO** and the son of her sister-in-law, TA*** (13 years old).
— They came on holiday for about 10 days, having returned to Ireland on 9 May 2007. (She is not absolutely certain of the day).
— Her days on holiday were spent in the swimming pool of the complex where they were lodged, on the beach of Luz and in the shopping centre. Normally, they were spent in Praia da Luz - Vila da Luz.
— Dinner was taken between 19h00 and 20h00, in the apartment or in the Restaurants "Dolphin", "Cavaleiro da Luz", "Chaplin" or the "Marujo", all situated in the Praia da Luz area.
' When they ate at home they would not normally go out. When they went to eat at the restaurants they stopped by Kelly's Bar, situated, she thinks, on Calheta Street in Praia da Luz

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Bearing in mind how long it took the Smiths to come forward, I wonder what percentage of 100 they are  sure it was the night of the 3rd they saw this man & child? I see no questioning regarding how many times the witnesses walked this route during the holiday. In fact, Aoife was not even sure which day they returned home.

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*Snip from Martin Smith's statement*

 He was heading toward his apartment (Estrela da Luz complex) which is located a little above the street Travessa da Escola Primária (Primary school crossing). As he reached this artery, he saw an individual carrying a child, who walked normally and fitted in perfectly in that area, in that it is common to see people carrying children, at least during the holiday season.

Not too certain then, Misty

[misty]

I think the Smith group were sure of the date because some of them were flying from Faro the next morning.

That still doesn't mean their recollected sighting occurred on 3rd May,though, does it? How many people can recall accurately which night 2 weeks previously they passed their neighbour walking his dog during their evening stroll?
 Mrs Fenn was pretty sure she heard a child crying for 75 minutes on the Tuesday - yet no-one else did - and Kate said Madeleine cried on the Wednesday.

[pegasus]

That still doesn't mean their recollected sighting occurred on 3rd May,though, does it? How many people can recall accurately which night 2 weeks previously they passed their neighbour walking his dog during their evening stroll?
 Mrs Fenn was pretty sure she heard a child crying for 75 minutes on the Tuesday - yet no-one else did - and Kate said Madeleine cried on the Wednesday.

IMO they link that night directly to the flight the next morning - they say that is one of the reasons they returned to their apartment reasonably early.
Also there is the payment card transaction dated 3rd at Dolphin restaurant.
(But re what Mrs F heard I think that was Wed)

[misty]

IMO they link that night directly to the flight the next morning - they say that is one of the reasons they returned to their apartment reasonably early.
Also there is the payment card transaction dated 3rd at Dolphin restaurant.
(But re what Mrs F heard I think that was Wed)

Aoife said in her statement they went to Kelly's Bar whenever they ate out. In the same way the disbelievers question the Tapas group alcohol intake, can the same questions not be asked of the adult Smiths? How sharp or hazy were their memories? Martin Smith also wasn't wearing his glasses. Technically, the evidence is dependent on a 12 year old girl.
I wonder how accurate their holiday timeline would prove to be - as compared to the Tapas group????

[pathfinder73]

It would not be a very cunning disguise.

You've fallen for it and many others so it was a good simple disguise not to connect (also bare arms would stand out as being unusual at that time of night and Smithman didn't want to be stopped nevermind say hello) and easy to dispose.

[pathfinder73]

1. Yes I guess they have to consider the possibility the witness was mistaken.
2. Yes until they have ruled the sighting out they have to keep going on it.
3. Smiths do describe how the arms were situated.

My opinion is carrying-in-arms-through-the-streets is a ridiculous method for either an abductor or a concealer.
I have read many cases of both types and this method does not feature.

Your correct I don't think an abductor would not carry a child through the streets. No other option was available in Smithman's mind - this had to be done at all costs and with all the checks going on that night and if she was found dead close to 5A who would suspicion immediately fall on? But if she was found a good distance away at the beach that paedo abductor took her there.

[Luz]

Smithman was reported as carrying a child with long sleeved pyjamas but Madeleine's parents reported that she was dressed in short sleeved pyjamas when she disappeared.

According to Aoife Smith, the man she and her family encountered in Praia da Luz on the night that Madeleine McCann disappeared was carrying a child wearing long sleeved pyjamas.  Aoife Smith's statement

The pyjamas which Madeleine wore on the night she disappeared were of the short sleeved style as per the images shown below.

Unless Aoife was mistaken, Smithman was not carrying Madeleine McCann.



Pyjamas identical to those worn by Madeleine McCann when she disappeared.

If the child was wearing the pajamas how could the parents produce the pajamas she would be wearing?!!!! That always disturbed me. Unless they bought for the baby Amalie an exact size Madeleine's pajamas.

And if so, how could Tannerman aka Crecheman by SY produced after 6 years the pajamas for his 2 year old son, totally different, and made the already discredited Tanner's sighting be excluded by SY?!!!

Something is very wrong here.

[pathfinder73]

If the child was wearing the pajamas how could the parents produce the pajamas she would be wearing?!!!! That always disturbed me. Unless they bought for the baby Amalie an exact size Madeleine's pajamas.

And if so, how could Tannerman aka Crecheman by SY produced after 6 years the pajamas for his 2 year old son, totally different, and made the already discredited Tanner's sighting be excluded by SY?!!!

Something is very wrong here.

REPORT OF NEWS OF DISAPPEARANCE

Responsible Officer: Jos?Mar? Batista Roque

OBSERVATIONS

(Collect characteristics of personal objects namely watches, rings, false teeth, etc).

On the left leg she has a small chestnut birthmark, she was wearing light coloured pyjamas (top and bottom), with a pink donkey design on the bottoms with the letters ON and she was barefoot.

Signed in Lagos

4th May 2007

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm



It's strange the top design isn't mentioned only the pink design on the bottoms? Is there another top that matches the bottoms?

[Wonderfulspam]

Madeleine Was Here (7th May 2009)

Voice over: 'The most likely sighting of Madeleine was by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns.'
'In the files Kate believes another witness statement from an Irish family describes a very similar sighting to Jane's.'

KM: 'There's actually quite a lot of similarities & it does beg the question, I mean how many people carry their children on a cold night not covered, y'know, nothing on their arms or their feet. no blanket.

'Now either there's been 2 people carrying children in that way, who haven't come forward to eliminate themselves or potentially they are related.'

Interviewer: But you think that child is Madeleine?

KM: I think there's a good chance it could be Madeleine, certainly the description there sounds to me like Madeleine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fRQQWmpiO3s#t=265


McCanns on Oprah (4th May 2009)

Gerry : "Jane went to check on her children and it was at that point she was just passed us going up to the corner and she saw a man carrying a young girl with almo.. she described independently the pyjamas that Madeleine had on.."

Kate: "The child was barefoot and bare armed..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xNI5up44Nho#t=820


*Jane Tanner didn't see the child's arms...


The McCann's reconstruction has Smithman carrying the child in a manner which was not as described in the Smith family witness statements. Instead, it depicts him carrying the child in the manner of Bundleman, as was described by Jane Tanner, in her sighting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=na4aBr5PTYY#t=348


...See.

[pathfinder73]

REPORT OF NEWS OF DISAPPEARANCE

Responsible Officer: Jos?Mar? Batista Roque

OBSERVATIONS

(Collect characteristics of personal objects namely watches, rings, false teeth, etc).

On the left leg she has a small chestnut birthmark, she was wearing light coloured pyjamas (top and bottom), with a pink donkey design on the bottoms with the letters ON and she was barefoot.

Signed in Lagos

4th May 2007

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm



It's strange the top design isn't mentioned only the pink design on the bottoms? Is there another top that matches the bottoms?

I'm bumping this as everyone has ignored it. First Disappearance report 4 May to what Madeleine was wearing - nothing about a pink top or sleeves? Just pink design on her bottoms. Is there a top that matches those bottoms?

On the left leg she has a small chestnut birthmark, she was wearing light coloured pyjamas (top and bottom), with a pink donkey design on the bottoms with the letters ON and she was barefoot.

[misty]

I'm bumping this as everyone has ignored it. First Disappearance report 4 May to what Madeleine was wearing - nothing about a pink top or sleeves? Just pink design on her bottoms. Is there a top that matches those bottoms?

On the left leg she has a small chestnut birthmark, she was wearing light coloured pyjamas (top and bottom), with a pink donkey design on the bottoms with the letters ON and she was barefoot.

Bearing in mind the PJ didn't even want a photograph of Madeleine released to the media, are you really surprised that they were so economic with the details of the pyjamas?