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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #120 on: August 30, 2014, 02:53:53 PM »
Ar! but wot yo fail to oonderstand is in the context of Portugal this really means that the place is bloody heavin' with paedophoil gangs but the whole bloody judiciary, population and tourists of varying nationalities are all in a stonkin great conspiracy to oosh it all oop loik.

I think than..several prime ministers...SY...and a whole host of others conspiring to protect the mccanns because of a shortage of NHS doctors

Offline sadie

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #121 on: August 30, 2014, 03:39:56 PM »
Ar! but wot yo fail to oonderstand is in the context of Portugal this really means that the place is bloody heavin' with paedophoil gangs but the whole bloody judiciary, population and tourists of varying nationalities are all in a stonkin great conspiracy to oosh it all oop loik.

Oh, Alice, your local vernacular is not very convincing,.  I should stick to your middle class educated English if I were you


Psst:  Hope you dont mind Goodie trying to help you  8**8:/:

Offline Brietta

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #122 on: August 30, 2014, 04:19:15 PM »
i.e. There is none and you know it.


Everything else is waffle.


Pulling out all the stops...............

The investigation has revealed nothing.

There is no trace of Madeleine.


You can believe in fantasies of Madeleine being found with a really nice family, or whichever other fantasy of a return you may happen to believe in.

I believe it is right and proper to address past failures and try to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann.  I believe that people who feel free to enter a child's bedroom for illicit purposes should be apprehended and brought to justice.

If there is no trace of a missing person ... is it your logic that we shouldn't bother looking, particularly if her surname is McCann?
The point being that if there was a trace, the person probably would not be missing and would not require to be looked for.

Think how ecstatic you would be if Madeleine's parents were under investigation right now and not the evil s..m who actually stole her. Try a little bit of transference Stephen and direct what you feel for Madeleine’s parents to that individual/s.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #123 on: August 30, 2014, 05:24:21 PM »
Oh, Alice, your local vernacular is not very convincing,.  I should stick to your middle class educated English if I were you


Psst:  Hope you dont mind Goodie trying to help you  8**8:/:
Ar thanks Goodie yo bin a little boster.
My mam having been a Yam Yam (or Yo Yo if thee bin from Shropshire) so oi am at the very least a Yam and conversant with the intricacies of the Yam Yam dialect.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #124 on: August 30, 2014, 05:34:14 PM »
Ar thanks Goodie yo bin a little boster.
My mam having been a Yam Yam (or Yo Yo if thee bin from Shropshire) so oi am at the very least a Yam and conversant with the intricacies of the Yam Yam dialect.
so what is Z for in the yam yam alphabet...bet you cant answer it without google

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #125 on: August 30, 2014, 05:38:19 PM »
Ar thanks Goodie yo bin a little boster.
My mam having been a Yam Yam (or Yo Yo if thee bin from Shropshire) so oi am at the very least a Yam and conversant with the intricacies of the Yam Yam dialect.

yam yams don't come from shropshire anymore than cockneys come from essex

stephen25000

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Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #126 on: August 30, 2014, 06:03:42 PM »
I believe it is right and proper to address past failures and try to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann.  I believe that people who feel free to enter a child's bedroom for illicit purposes should be apprehended and brought to justice.

If there is no trace of a missing person ... is it your logic that we shouldn't bother looking, particularly if her surname is McCann?
The point being that if there was a trace, the person probably would not be missing and would not require to be looked for.

Think how ecstatic you would be if Madeleine's parents were under investigation right now and not the evil s..m who actually stole her. Try a little bit of transference Stephen and direct what you feel for Madeleine’s parents to that individual/s.


Can you tell me Brietta in logical terms why you think there was an abductor when all that has come to the surface is the mantra of hyperbole to describe the existence of a person or persons, which clearly SY may be digging for in desperation to justify the money spent. What I have no time for is when the money is spent on just one case and no one else gets a look in.

As to the McCann's, I and others hold them responsible for what happened in their gross negligence of three children.

Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #127 on: August 30, 2014, 06:03:43 PM »
Looks like the reception ignored Matt and Gerrys requests and only phoned the Police when given the go ahead by John Hill, the boss.


Perhaps it was OC policy to never phone the Police unless it had gone through very senior personnel first?


Better that guests do not see anything amiss with Police around ? .... if possible ?

I know that some owners/admin did not like the poolice called without there authority, but that was a long time ago. I will try and find what time it was that JH phoned reception, the first time. However someone would have to have phoned him from somewhere, for him to know about the disappearance.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Carana

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #128 on: August 30, 2014, 06:56:25 PM »
I know that some owners/admin did not like the poolice called without there authority, but that was a long time ago. I will try and find what time it was that JH phoned reception, the first time. However someone would have to have phoned him from somewhere, for him to know about the disappearance.

John Hill (extract).

With regard to the facts of the investigation. Statements show that he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Initially the deponent thought that the child had got lost or disorientated, but as the searches did not produce any results he became increasingly worried.
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The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted, and fifteen minutes later went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken. The deponent thinks that the GNR arrived at the scene at about 22.45, however in a conversation several weeks later, he heard someone say, he doesn't remember whom, that they had arrived at about 23.30, but as he was so busy he declared that he had no notion of the passage of time.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm

Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #129 on: August 30, 2014, 07:08:02 PM »
John Hill (extract).

With regard to the facts of the investigation. Statements show that he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Initially the deponent thought that the child had got lost or disorientated, but as the searches did not produce any results he became increasingly worried.
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The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted, and fifteen minutes later went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken. The deponent thinks that the GNR arrived at the scene at about 22.45, however in a conversation several weeks later, he heard someone say, he doesn't remember whom, that they had arrived at about 23.30, but as he was so busy he declared that he had no notion of the passage of time.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm


thank you Carana. I just found it, but that was, I believe a mobile to mobile and I was looking for his call to reception.
So he was aware of the missing child at around 22.28
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #130 on: August 30, 2014, 07:19:34 PM »
I know that some owners/admin did not like the poolice called without there authority, but that was a long time ago. I will try and find what time it was that JH phoned reception, the first time. However someone would have to have phoned him from somewhere, for him to know about the disappearance.
Here is the flow which led eventually after 42 minutes to the GNR being phoned 

A mum on way to collect child from creche passes a man searching and calling something like "Maddie"
About 2205 or 2215 this mum arrives at creche and tells this to the 3 creche staff AT and JW and CP
About 2220 AT tells LJ
About 2228 LJ phones JH
2238 JH phones HL
2241 HL phones the GNR
2251 JH phones HL
2252 HL phones the GNR




Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #131 on: August 30, 2014, 07:28:52 PM »
Here is the flow which led eventually after 42 minutes to the GNR being phoned 

A mum on way to collect child from creche passes a man searching and calling something like "Maddie"
About 2205 or 2215 this mum arrives at creche and tells this to the 3 creche staff AT and JW and CP
About 2220 AT tells LJ
About 2228 LJ phones JH
2238 JH phones HL
2241 HL phones the GNR
2251 JH phones HL
2252 HL phones the GNR
Thank you......................again
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #132 on: August 30, 2014, 09:17:50 PM »
Thank you......................again
I just copied from employees' statements, and from
GNR Lagos phone records: page 3159
OC phone records: page 3164
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Online misty

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #133 on: August 31, 2014, 12:36:20 AM »
I just copied from employees' statements, and from
GNR Lagos phone records: page 3159
OC phone records: page 3164


Why are the  calls (listed as Greentrust not Ocean Club) not in chronological order?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_VOLUME_XIIa_Page_3159.jpg


stephen25000

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Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #134 on: August 31, 2014, 09:43:20 AM »
People calling each other on the phone, at a time when police were rife in the area, what is the world coming to ?

The PJ and many other people searched extensively for Madeleine,and found no trace of her, so don't pull the 'poor investigation' line.
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