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Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2014, 02:57:52 AM »
I have managed to locate the article I saw in the Algarve Resident dated 10/5/2007 re. the GNR Celebrations. You will note that there was a display in Albufeira on 3/5/2007 which finished at 6pm.

http://portugalresident.com/gnr-celebrates-96th-anniversary
y: Eloise Waltoneloise@portugalresident.comACROSS PORTUGAL, the Guarda Nacional Republicana (GNR) celebrated their 96th birthday on May 3. The GNR institution began in 1911 as a military security force.Celebrations on this day included a military parade in the Praça do Império in Lisbon, which was presided over by the Prime Minister José Sócrates as well as other high placed civilians and military personnel.In the Algarve, the event was celebrated by the Albufeira GNR with a special demonstration in the car park opposite the Court house, from 9.30am to 6pm. The event was well attended by the many smiling faces and curious hands of schoolchildren from around the Albufeira primary schools.This is the first year of a new initiative by the Albufeira Division. “If we have all these resources, why not show them off to the public and demonstrate that we are an integral and approachable part of the community,” said the Commander of the Albufeira GNR José Rodrigues.Every department of the Albufeira GNR was represented at the exhibition. The canine department of the GNR of Portimão and Albufeira put on two dog shows to the delight and applause of all the children and adults present. The audience was amazed both by the dogs’ obedience and their enjoyment of the work they do.Contrary to popular belief, sniffer dogs are not trained using actual drugs, but instead the smell of the drug is used in a special toy for them to find during training. The dogs can identify a large number of substances and are rewarded after the correct identification of an illegal substance with an odorless toy.The two breeds of dogs mostly used by the GNR are German Shepherds, used often for patrols and public order, and retriever Labradors used for searching for missing persons and illegal substances.Other departments included the department for the protection of nature and the environment, the fiscal brigade, the safe schooling nucleus and the territorial department.All of the children present were encouraged to ask questions, pet the animals, enter the GNR vehicles which included; bicycles, cars, off road vehicles and motorbikes, and take a ride on a horse! Music was played throughout the day giving a relaxed and inviting atmosphere to the event.Do you have a view on this story? Email: editor@portugalresident.com

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Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2014, 09:27:43 AM »
Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa

Date/Time: 2007/05/07 18H45
G.N.R. Military Personnel

Concerning the issue of the process said;
. In the sequence of facts, he was with the patrol of the GNR that went to the Ocean Club Gardens establishment (situated in Para da Luz) on night of May 03, 2007, with the goal of investigating the circumstances that surrounded the disappearance of a minor, of British nationality, that was installed there temporarily, together with the rest of her more direct family ' knowing these to be, the respective parents, and two siblings, twins, minors, whose name do not need to be clarified;
. Clarifies that the occurrence in question was transmitted to the above referenced patrol via radio, at time when they were located in Odiaxere;
. The patrol of which he took part, and now as a witness, went immediately to the principal reception of the aforementioned establishment, where there was encountered the father of the missing child;


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA-1.htm
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Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2014, 10:55:26 AM »
Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa

Date/Time: 2007/05/07 18H45
G.N.R. Military Personnel

Concerning the issue of the process said;
. In the sequence of facts, he was with the patrol of the GNR that went to the Ocean Club Gardens establishment (situated in Para da Luz) on night of May 03, 2007, with the goal of investigating the circumstances that surrounded the disappearance of a minor, of British nationality, that was installed there temporarily, together with the rest of her more direct family ' knowing these to be, the respective parents, and two siblings, twins, minors, whose name do not need to be clarified;
. Clarifies that the occurrence in question was transmitted to the above referenced patrol via radio, at time when they were located in Odiaxere;
. The patrol of which he took part, and now as a witness, went immediately to the principal reception of the aforementioned establishment, where there was encountered the father of the missing child;


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA-1.htm




Revised translation.

Processos Volume II

Pages 331 - 333

Witness Statement

Vitor Manuel dos Santos

Date/Time: 2007/05/07 11H00

Occupation: Head of Accommodation

Place of Work: Ocean Club


He comes to the process as a witness. He has worked as Head of Accommodation at the resort for seven years, but has been employed there for the past 18 years.

His functions are the management of bookings and the control of contracts whether with private individuals or travel agencies. He is responsible for the management and supervision of the reception.

As concerns the facts being investigated, he says he received the McCann booking as normal and he points out that this reservation was made by Mark Warner, whose representative is John Hill.

He says that it is normal for each reservation to make specifications and that in this case in concrete a request was made that the four families should be accommodated close to each other and a ground floor apartment was requested enabling easy access for the families with small children.

He adds that this family booked from 28th April to 5th May on a half board basis, in other words, breakfast and dinner. For dinner the guests could choose between two options, the Tapas and the Millenium and although the meals are identical, the clients choose the restaurant according to its proximity to their accommodation.

In this case in concrete, the rational choice for dinner would be the Tapas restaurant as it is 100 metres distance from the apartment, whilst the Millenium is situated 600 metres away.

The witness states that from the restaurant it is possible to see the apartment including the window of the living room and the bedroom where the parents slept. The bedroom where the three children slept, situated at the opposite end of the apartment was completely outside of the field of sight of anyone in the Tapas restaurant.

Therefore the most viable solution would be to leave the children in the parents bedroom or in the living room where they could easily be checked from the place where the parents were dining.

When questioned about the availability of a baby sitting service from 19.30 to 23.30 he confirms that this service exists and that it is free.

When asked, the witness replies that he cannot understand why as the service was free, the McCanns did not use it.

When asked, he says that before the disappearance he did not have any contact with the family, they were “just” clients like hundreds of others who stayed at the resort.

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet. He added (the receptionist) that he had phoned the GNR post several times and that he had been told that they would arrive when they could but that they were investigating a theft in Odiaxere. The receptionist asked the witness whether he should contact the PSP, to which the witness replied no as this area belongs to the GNR.

Given the circumstances, the witness thought it best to go to the resort to find out more about the situation.

When he arrived at the scene about 10 to 15 minutes later, he immediately went to the reception where the GNR were present, taking a statement from the girl’s father.

The witness then went to the apartment where there was an agglomeration of persons, however he managed to perceive that the apartment did not show any sign of disturbance not that anyone had attempted to break in.

He adds that he heard it said at the scene that the mother had not left the shutter open as she always closed the shutter when she left. When asked, he says that he did not notice anything strange in relation to the apartment or its surroundings.

The witness states that the resort did not have any kind of security or cameras.

He never saw anything suspicious or abnormal. He was asked to provide a copy of the rooming list, showing the information relating to the booking made by the family, which he immediately provided and which is annexed to the statement.

The witness says that he has nothing else useful to add.

No more is said. Reads, ratifies, signs.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post142.html#p142
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2014, 12:19:56 PM »
There is something about a GNR callout to Odiaxere somewhere, I remember reading about it and that it was a false alarm(?) although I may be mistaken in that memory.
At the moment the only reference I have found so far to anything which had police involvement is as follows ...

 - Clip -

Joao Franciso Pascoa Luis Trigo Barreiras

Occupation: PJ Deputy Specialist

Place of work: Criminal Investigation Department Portimao

He is a specialist in the area of Criminology for the PJ and works in the Criminal Investigation department in Portimao.

His professional responsibilities are to carry out examinations at crime scenes, such as detecting finger prints, biological examinations as well as the identification, signalling and collection of other traces. He is also responsible for making photographic reports and sketches. On the date of the events - 3rd May 2007 he was on duty at the Portimao DIC.

At about 00.10 on the morning of the 4th, he had just finished filing a report about a fire, when he was informed that a child had disappeared in Praia da Luz.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm

Yes I remember a false alarm mentioned too, but at the moment the only mention I can find is below.





Revised translation.

Processos Volume II

Pages 331 - 333

Witness Statement

Vitor Manuel dos Santos

Date/Time: 2007/05/07 11H00

Occupation: Head of Accommodation

Place of Work: Ocean Club

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet. He added (the receptionist) that he had phoned the GNR post several times and that he had been told that they would arrive when they could but that they were investigating a theft in Odiaxere. The receptionist asked the witness whether he should contact the PSP, to which the witness replied no as this area belongs to the GNR.


“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Brietta

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2014, 10:46:09 PM »
Yes I remember a false alarm mentioned too, but at the moment the only mention I can find is below.





Revised translation.

Processos Volume II

Pages 331 - 333

Witness Statement

Vitor Manuel dos Santos

Date/Time: 2007/05/07 11H00

Occupation: Head of Accommodation

Place of Work: Ocean Club

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet. He added (the receptionist) that he had phoned the GNR post several times and that he had been told that they would arrive when they could but that they were investigating a theft in Odiaxere. The receptionist asked the witness whether he should contact the PSP, to which the witness replied no as this area belongs to the GNR.

It looks like a perfect storm to me.

The holiday apartment with its recessed, secluded front door for which we now know the key had gone missing; the fact that home invasions where British children were being assaulted in their beds and burglaries, two of which had occurred in Block 5 were taking place with apparent impunity; witnesses who saw men in the environs of apartment 5a whose interest appeared to be intensely focussed on that particular residence. 

It stands to reason that those GNR officers and their dogs who had been on duty at the day long anniversary celebration would not have been available on the 3rd May. 

In that knowledge if a crime was planned to be carried out and an escape made it wouldn’t have been too difficult to ensure there would be a delayed police response by arranging, for what must have been an unusually depleted force, to be elsewhere at the requisite time.

The attendance of GNR personnel at the all day celebration and the local GNR unit diverted to a call in Odiaxere provided a unique opportunity.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2014, 11:10:58 PM »
It looks like a perfect storm to me.

The holiday apartment with its recessed, secluded front door for which we now know the key had gone missing; the fact that home invasions where British children were being assaulted in their beds and burglaries, two of which had occurred in Block 5 were taking place with apparent impunity; witnesses who saw men in the environs of apartment 5a whose interest appeared to be intensely focussed on that particular residence. 

It stands to reason that those GNR officers and their dogs who had been on duty at the day long anniversary celebration would not have been available on the 3rd May. 

In that knowledge if a crime was planned to be carried out and an escape made it wouldn’t have been too difficult to ensure there would be a delayed police response by arranging, for what must have been an unusually depleted force, to be elsewhere at the requisite time.

The attendance of GNR personnel at the all day celebration and the local GNR unit diverted to a call in Odiaxere provided a unique opportunity.

I agree Brietta . It would be a perfect plan for an abductor. I believe the phone calls that were of interest to SC , started about the time that Madeleine left the crèche/high tea..........So they could have been waiting for a window of opportunity, but there was a lot of checks and movement that night, by parents, which would have been a hitch in the plan....JMO
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline sadie

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2014, 12:07:25 AM »
It looks like a perfect storm to me.

The holiday apartment with its recessed, secluded front door for which we now know the key had gone missing; the fact that home invasions where British children were being assaulted in their beds and burglaries, two of which had occurred in Block 5 were taking place with apparent impunity; witnesses who saw men in the environs of apartment 5a whose interest appeared to be intensely focussed on that particular residence. 

It stands to reason that those GNR officers and their dogs who had been on duty at the day long anniversary celebration would not have been available on the 3rd May. 

In that knowledge if a crime was planned to be carried out and an escape made it wouldn’t have been too difficult to ensure there would be a delayed police response by arranging, for what must have been an unusually depleted force, to be elsewhere at the requisite time.

The attendance of GNR personnel at the all day celebration and the local GNR unit diverted to a call in Odiaxere provided a unique opportunity.
I wonder how they might get to know about the day long anniversary? 
And I wonder how the ?false call out to Odiaxere was managed?  There must be some Police record of it.

Seems some impressive planning might have been put in place, with all the watching before hand as well.

Offline pegasus

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2014, 12:26:26 AM »
I wonder how they might get to know about the day long anniversary? 
And I wonder how the ?false call out to Odiaxere was managed?  There must be some Police record of it.

Seems some impressive planning might have been put in place, with all the watching before hand as well.
IIRC in the phone records in the files you can see a call from a security company to the GNR station in Lagos, it seems reasonable to assume this was to report the suspected incident in the Odiaxere area.

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Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2014, 12:32:37 AM »
It looks like a perfect storm to me.

The holiday apartment with its recessed, secluded front door for which we now know the key had gone missing; the fact that home invasions where British children were being assaulted in their beds and burglaries, two of which had occurred in Block 5 were taking place with apparent impunity; witnesses who saw men in the environs of apartment 5a whose interest appeared to be intensely focussed on that particular residence. 

It stands to reason that those GNR officers and their dogs who had been on duty at the day long anniversary celebration would not have been available on the 3rd May. 

In that knowledge if a crime was planned to be carried out and an escape made it wouldn’t have been too difficult to ensure there would be a delayed police response by arranging, for what must have been an unusually depleted force, to be elsewhere at the requisite time.

The attendance of GNR personnel at the all day celebration and the local GNR unit diverted to a call in Odiaxere provided a unique opportunity.

Firstly didn't the celebration finish at 6pm ? Secondly how do we know the key to 5a had gone missing ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline sadie

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2014, 12:33:00 AM »
I agree Brietta . It would be a perfect plan for an abductor. I believe the phone calls that were of interest to SC , started about the time that Madeleine left the crèche/high tea..........So they could have been waiting for a window of opportunity, but there was a lot of checks and movement that night, by parents, which would have been a hitch in the plan....JMO
With a key, it wouldn't take long Anna

Since I broke my ankles a few years back, I have become a poor walker, but with a key, I could open the front door, walk the short distance, open the window and shutter, lift Madeleine and be out in a matter of about a minute.   So it didn't need a very big window of oportunity.

I have actually measured the distances and tried that, so I know it is feasible.  I dont have shutters but I allowed a suitable period.



That walled pathway from the front door would be the big worry, the abductor would be kind of trapped there if anyone came. 

It is quite long (about 25 yards) and half way along it is well lit.


IMO, in order to avoid that pathway walk, it is likely that a second person was standing on the other side of the pathway wall, immediately by the front door recess and Madeleine was passed over the pathway wall at that spot.


From there it was just a stride into the surrounding trees with Madeleine, if anyone came.   


That end of the car park was very dark.  The trees blanked virtually all the street light out.

Offline Anna

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2014, 12:41:09 AM »
I wonder how they might get to know about the day long anniversary? 
And I wonder how the ?false call out to Odiaxere was managed?  There must be some Police record of it.

Seems some impressive planning might have been put in place, with all the watching before hand as well.

I think that such a big celebration would have been known about all over Portugal otherwise there would not be any spectators, quite a few families from Figuera were there watching their own GNR in displays too.
   It Is only a possibility and I have not found anything to support that there was false call for Odiaxere, but can find no news to substantiate the claim by the manager who said that he was informed by the receptionist that he(receptionist) had been told by the GnR that they were attending a theft there and it was causing delay. He is the only one who has mentioned a reason for a delay and said he had phoned GNR Several times......I believe he said that he phoned again!  His statement should be on here further down
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline faithlilly

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2014, 12:45:01 AM »
I agree Brietta . It would be a perfect plan for an abductor. I believe the phone calls that were of interest to SC , started about the time that Madeleine left the crèche/high tea..........So they could have been waiting for a window of opportunity, but there was a lot of checks and movement that night, by parents, which would have been a hitch in the plan....JMO

Are you saying Madeleine was particularly targeted Anna and if so why ?

There was many pretty, blonde girls at the OC that week, Bridget O'Donnell told us so, and we know whoever was assaulting the children SY are interested in weren't stopped by their parents being at home so why Madeleine ?

Further are we supposed to believe the assaults on the children were a group effort by several perpetrators ? If it's a burglary I can understand several men being involved but an assault !
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2014, 12:48:10 AM »
I think that such a big celebration would have been known about all over Portugal otherwise there would not be any spectators, quite a few families from Figuera were there watching their own GNR in displays too.
   It Is only a possibility and I have not found anything to support that there was false call for Odiaxere, but can find no news to substantiate the claim by the manager who said that he was informed by the receptionist that he(receptionist) had been told by the GnR that they were attending a theft there and it was causing delay. He is the only one who has mentioned a reason for a delay and said he had phoned GNR Several times......I believe he said that he phoned again!  His statement should be on here further down

So we have actually no reason to believe that the call made to the GNR that night about a theft was a false alarm. Glad we cleared that one up.

Change of thread title is in order I believe Eleanor !
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline sadie

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2014, 12:55:48 AM »
So we have actually no reason to believe that the call made to the GNR that night about a theft was a false alarm. Glad we cleared that one up.

Change of thread title is in order I believe Eleanor !

Yes we do have reason.  The manager (Hill?) said that the receptionist had informed him that the GNR was delayed by a theft over at Odiaxere

Offline faithlilly

Re: Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2014, 01:01:37 AM »
Yes we do have reason.  The manager (Hill?) said that the receptionist had informed him that the GNR was delayed by a theft over at Odiaxere

I'm not disputing that but it is being implied that this was a hoax call to distract the GNR so the abductors/burglars/assailants ( delete where appropriate ) could carry out their dastardly plan in PDL with impunity. There is simply no evidence for that.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?