Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?

[Luz]

I wonder if anyone checked on the details of the incident at Odiaxere.  Could this have been a red herring to occupy The GNR?

Sure.

GNR were so distracted that they failed to report that McCann were not in the apartment. They were going around OC like headless chicken & finally took their unconscious babies to another apartment - how convenient! Mccann compromised what they considered the "crime scene" by inviting their friends and their cat in it. They did all they could to obfuscate any possible crime investigation & yet they are treated by UK Media, nowadays, as poor innocent parents!

[Luz]

In fact there's a lot of similarities between how UK behaves towards the McCann (poor miserable twards enhanced by money holders like Kennedy & Branson) and the poor Palestinians. Ignore the feeble and side up with the strong.
Shame on you UK.

[pegasus]

@Anna
In the Portugal Telecom phone records you can read in the files:
Helder's first call to GNR is at 2242 IIRC,
his second call to GNR is at about 2251 IIRC,
and his following call to Vitor Santos mobile is also there with an accurate time.

There are other ways to confirm this sequence of calls did occur, and at the times stated by Portugal Telecom records - for example there is a call from JH mobile to OC reception which is IIRC in between Helders two calls to GNR, and a call from SB mobile to GNR which is after Helder's 2 calls to GNR but just before GNR arrive at reception.

The Portugal Telecom times are recorded automatically by computer and are almost certainly correct.
Therefore it is likely that the times printed in Helder statement may have been mis-transcribed.

[pegasus]

Sure.

GNR were so distracted that they failed to report that McCann were not in the apartment. They were going around OC like headless chicken & finally took their unconscious babies to another apartment - how convenient! Mccann compromised what they considered the "crime scene" by inviting their friends and their cat in it. They did all they could to obfuscate any possible crime investigation & yet they are treated by UK Media, nowadays, as poor innocent parents!

GNR were undistracted enough to report that the father was at reception when GNR arrived at reception. and the mother was at apartment when GNR arrived at apartment with the father a few minutes later.

[Eleanor]

GNR were undistracted enough to report that the father was at reception when GNR arrived at reception. and the mother was at apartment when GNR arrived at apartment with the father a few minutes later.

Your research never ceases to amaze me.  You have thrown a light on many things.

[pegasus]

Here is the source for the calls by reception
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P11/11_VOLUME_XIa_Page_3051.jpg
22:41 receptionist calls GNR
22:52 receptionist calls GNR
22:59 receptionist calls head of reception

[Anna]

Here is the source for the calls by reception
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P11/11_VOLUME_XIa_Page_3051.jpg
22:41 receptionist calls GNR
22:52 receptionist calls GNR
22:59 receptionist calls head of reception

Thank you Pegasus.
Do you kmow who the call was from at 21.21. Sorry if I missed it, but it would have been around the time that MM was last seen and JT sighted a man with a child. Probably just coincidence though. I doubt that the person/s responsible for her disappearance, would know when it would be discovered and the GNR would be called after the act, but it would ensure a safe getaway.
 my laptop died yesterday and this old one, is about to do the same, so I will have to get something sorted now

[Brietta]

Thank you Pegasus.
Do you kmow who the call was from at 21.21. Sorry if I missed it, but it would have been around the time that MM was last seen and JT sighted a man with a child. Probably just coincidence though. I doubt that the person/s responsible for her disappearance, would know when it would be discovered and the GNR would be called after the act, but it would ensure a safe getaway.
 my laptop died yesterday and this old one, is about to do the same, so I will have to get something sorted now

pegasus’s analysis of the finer detail and his explanation of same is particularly welcome as far as I am concerned.  Such things as ‘pings’ etc are not my forte, so I echo your thanks to him.

[John]

A security company (SDP) phoned the GNR station in Lagos at 2229 - it's in the files.
That I think will be the call alerting the GNR to the suspected theft in Odiaxere area.
It is 6.3km (8 minutes) drive from Lagos GNR station to Odiaxere.
So that places the GNR patrol arriving at the suspected theft at Odiaxere at about 2237.
Which fits perfectly with the GNR patrol being in Odiaxere when OC reception calls GNR.

Excellent research yet again Pegasus, I only wish I had the time to follow up more of these leads.

The incident in Oxiádere which the GNR patrol attended could very well have been created as a distraction coming just minutes after the search began for Madeleine.  It would be interesting to find out a bit more about this incident in Odiáxere such as was it an automated alarm call to police or did someone call it in after finding evidence of an attempted break-in.

Someone could have created the situation in Odiáxere on their way from Luz or an accomplice alerted by phone could have done it, there are so many possibilities.  To simply put it down to a coincidence and just right it off as Amaral seems to have done isn't logical.

I have yet to read the entire thread so apologies if this has already been covered.

[Carana]

A security company (SDP) phoned the GNR station in Lagos at 2229 - it's in the files.
That I think will be the call alerting the GNR to the suspected theft in Odiaxere area.
It is 6.3km (8 minutes) drive from Lagos GNR station to Odiaxere.
So that places the GNR patrol arriving at the suspected theft at Odiaxere at about 2237.
Which fits perfectly with the GNR patrol being in Odiaxere when OC reception calls GNR.

I remember noticing that call, but that was years ago and had forgotten about it. I had wondered at the time if the security company had an employee at the OC. I don't think I ever got to the bottom of whether OC employed a security company at the time or not.

[John]

Without knowing the exact details of what occurred in Odiáxere it is difficult to come to any firm conclusion but to exclude it on the basis of fantasy is illogical.  The chances of these two events occurring concurrently if by accident must be small.  The fact that one occurred in Odiáxere is itself interesting given its geographical location.

The documented attempted robbery in Odiáxere could have been set up in such a manner so that it was only noticed after a certain time had lapsed.  Examples include cutting a security fence prior to the night watchman doing his rounds or smashing a car window knowing that someone would see it and report it sooner or later.  The possibilities are endless.  Someone could have telephoned the security Company and reported a fake break-in for that matter and done so at the optimum time to put most pressure on the already stretched GNR. I surprised there are no statements about this in the files.

[Carana]

Without knowing the exact details of what occurred in Odiáxere it is difficult to come to any firm conclusion but to exclude it on the basis of fantasy is illogical.  The chances of these two events occurring concurrently if by accident must be small.  The fact that one occurred in Odiáxere is itself interesting given its geographical location.

The documented attempted robbery in Odiáxere could have been set up in such a manner so that it was only noticed after a certain time had lapsed.  Examples include cutting a security fence prior to the night watchman doing his rounds or smashing a car window knowing that someone would see it and report it sooner or later.  The possibilities are endless.  Someone could have telephoned the security Company and reported a fake break-in for that matter and done so at the optimum time to put most pressure on the already stretched GNR. I surprised there are no statements about this in the files.

I suppose a distraction could have been organised, but would it be that unusual to have another incident within the evening patrol radius?

The PJ and the GNR don't seem to have close contact unless there is a specific request. If some of the PJ statements in the McCann case were written up on a typewriter, I doubt that the local GNR had anything resembling a database at the time that could be easily consulted via filtered criteria.

[John]

Like most things in this case there just isn't enough proof available to consider one possibility over any other.  Child abduction is a high risk endeavour at the best of times, the would-be abductor would have been keen to keep the police away from Luz for as long as they needed to accomplish their high risk plan and get clean away.  The last thing they needed was to be confronted by a GNR checkpoint on the edge of town as they made their escape.  A distraction for an extremely thin on the ground GNR was a distinct possibility and a sensible precaution imo.

[Wonderfulspam]

Like most things in this case there just isn't enough proof available to consider one possibility over any other.  Child abduction is a high risk endeavour at the best of times, the would-be abductor would have been keen to keep the police away from Luz for as long as they needed to accomplish their high risk plan and get clean away.  The last thing they needed was to be confronted by a GNR checkpoint on the edge of town as they made their escape.  A distraction for an extremely thin on the ground GNR was a distinct possibility and a sensible precaution imo.

Yet the abductor was happy to hang around in the apartment and risk getting caught for roughly an hour & then make off on foot past the Smiths, having changed Madeleine's pyjamas.

[Brietta]

Yet the abductor was happy to hang around in the apartment and risk getting caught for roughly an hour & then make off on foot past the Smiths, having changed Madeleine's pyjamas.

An hour?
Common sense should tell you the abductor would have been in and out in jig time.