Were the GNR distracted on the day of Madeleine's disappearance?

[faithlilly]

Just because your research has turned up such an obvious scenario, don't dismiss it out of hand; if someone had thought outside the box in 2007 and investigated that we might have found out if something along those lines was a serious possibility.

Sorry where has this been proven to be a hoax ? Perhaps when the GNR arrived there was evidence of a thief. Perhaps it was investigated but not in connection to the McCann case because there obviously, to boots on the ground, was no connection to the McCann case ?

[Alice Purjorick]

Sorry where has this been proven to be a hoax ? Perhaps when the GNR arrived there was evidence of a thief. Perhaps it was investigated but not in connection to the McCann case because there obviously, to boots on the ground, was no connection to the McCann case ?

Oh my dear as you observed in an earlier post it doesn't take much to start the bunny running. See him now scampering over yonder hill. It makes on wonder!

[stephen25000]

I find anyone who actually believes that there were 'distractions' which suited an 'abductor(s)' must really wear their underpants/knickers on the outside of their normal clothes.

[Brietta]

I find anyone who actually believes that there were 'distractions' which suited an 'abductor(s)' must really wear their underpants/knickers on the outside of their normal clothes.

Nope ~ that's resevered for those who think the most believable action when finding a child who has died accidentally is to conspire to hide the body.

[sadie]

Guys and gals ! Now where have I heard that before ?

Back on topic. So who are these strangers sadie ? Mob-handed assailants, bereft-of-any-common-sense burglars or athletic abductors, or perhaps a combination of all three ?

Roll up, roll up and pick a perpetrator !! Everyone's a winner ( or everyone one except the McCanns ) !!

Guys and gals ! 
Care to share who else says that? 

[pegasus]

You did indeed Pegasus but why let the truth get in the way of a juicy, McCann-absolving conspiracy theory eh ?

Yep if only someone in PDL had called GNR within the first haf hour, the call re Maddie would have been before the 2229 call re Odiaxere, and the GNR patrol would have come direct from Lagos.
The delay in GNR arriving was entirely due to no-one calling them until 2242.

[faithlilly]

Yep if only someone in PDL had called GNR within the first haf hour, the call re Maddie would have been before the 2229 call re Odiaxere, and the GNR patrol would have come direct from Lagos.
The delay in GNR arriving was entirely due to no-one calling them until 2242.

And if the abductor expected the McCanns to call the police straight away why wait to stage a 'distraction' after they would assume the GNR had been called to PDL.

Back to the drawing board I'm afraid !!!

[pegasus]

Here is the source for the 2229 call from a security company to GNR.
It seems reasonable to assume this was report to the suspected theft in Odiaxere area.
I already gave the distance and drive time to back this up.
Here are the GNR Lagos station phone records
Processos Vol 11 page 3049
Also you can see the 2 calls to GNR from OC reception and after that two further calls to GNR from mobiles, one by SB.

[pegasus]

And if the abductor expected the McCanns to call the police straight away why wait to stage a 'distraction' after they would assume the GNR had been called to PDL.

Back to the drawing board I'm afraid !!!

Yes that is a critical fail of the distraction theory - the so-called abduction gang would be creating a distraction too late for it to be use. Anyway we can see in the GNR phone records there is absolutely no distraction call to GNR.

So the delay in GNR arriving was because a group of UK tourist professionals did not dial 112.
If someone had dialled 112 at say 2210, GNR would have been there at 2215.

[Anna]

Yep if only someone in PDL had called GNR within the first haf hour, the call re Maddie would have been before the 2229 call re Odiaxere, and the GNR patrol would have come direct from Lagos.
The delay in GNR arriving was entirely due to no-one calling them until 2242.

so this statement is incorrect?


Processos Vol III

Pages 796 – 797



Date: 2007/05/09

Witness Statement


Helder Jorge Samaio Luis

Occupation: Receptionist Ocean Club

Has worked at the Ocean Club for almost a year and a half and works as a Receptionist at the main Ocean Club Reception. He doesn’t work fixed hours but he always works on the 16.00 to 34.00 shift.

All his work takes place at the main reception.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

He then contacted the head of reception Vítor Santos and informed him of the situation.

He remained at the OC reception until 24.00 when he was replaced by a colleague Mr Eliseu.

He then left the OC and went home.

He did not see or hear anything suspicious on 3rd May nor on the previous days.


Reads, signs, ratifies.

[misty]

Yes that is a critical fail of the distraction theory - the so-called abduction gang would be creating a distraction too late for it to be use. Anyway we can see in the GNR phone records there is absolutely no distraction call to GNR.

So the delay in GNR arriving was because a group of UK tourist professionals did not dial 112.
If someone had dialled 112 at say 2210, GNR would have been there at 2215.

Isn't the real issue the fact that there only seem to have been 2 GNR personnel on duty that night to deal with whatever local crimes occurred?
I don't believe that the Odiaxere call was a hoax, but the timing was unfortunate.
 However, a clued-up burglar or potential abductor would have worked out that 3rd May was probably the best night that week to commit a crime, especially if they had been tipped off about the staffing situation. A tourist who had been in Luz for only 6 days probably wouldn't know it was the best night to dispose of their dead child's body.

[misty]

I don't know if this issue has been raised before, but has the possibility ever been discussed of the abductor wearing a body wire, rather than using a mobile phone?

[sadie]

Yep if only someone in PDL had called GNR within the first haf hour, the call re Maddie would have been before the 2229 call re Odiaxere, and the GNR patrol would have come direct from Lagos.
The delay in GNR arriving was entirely due to no-one calling them until 2242.

Yep, if it is fact that reception didn't call the GNR until 22.42 the reception staff let Madeleine and the Mccanns down badly. 

Maybe he had a queue waiting to check in?     ... but he got their priorities badly wrong.



I am angry that the receptionist put the call on back burner but I do feel sorry for him.    One mistake and what a weight he must be carrying on his shoulders now.

The Golden hour was missed.  How sad for Madeleine and the whole family.

[stephen25000]

Yep, if it is fact that reception didn't call the GNR until 22.42 the reception staff let Madeleine and the Mccanns down badly. 

Maybe he had a queue waiting to check in?     ... but he got their priorities badly wrong.



I am angry that the receptionist put the call on back burner but I do feel sorry for him.    One mistake and what a weight he must be carrying on his shoulders now.

The Golden hour was missed.  How sad for Madeleine and the whole family.

Nothing to do with the staff.

Madeleine's parents let her and her siblings down badly, by leaving them alone, whilst out boozing and eating.

[sadie]

I saw it altho I only skim read.  Others must have read it more closely.