Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?

[Mr Gray]

headline from the mail today..

Terror target Britain: More armed police to patrol streets as threat level is raised to its highest for years and Prime Minister warns that we are in the fanatics' sights

The more armed police on the streets the more mistakes involving guns will happen.....don't blame the police...blame the terrorists

[Alice Purjorick]

black hats and white hats is exactly what you are guilty of...same as everybody else

continuing to cite terrorists cases to criticise SY...How do you counter those who are prepared to hack off someone's head and blow up hundreds of innocents...they will be here soon I'm afraid. You will be telling me next they have never had internment in Portugal...they haven't needed it.

To fight terrorism requires desperate measures...innocent people will be arrested...the option is to allow thousands of deaths in the uk

Merciful heavens sir there you go again! I stated incontrovertible facts and you refer to it as criticism. By what device may fact be construed as criticism?
The rest of your argument is over emotional, naive and not relevant to the thread. "They" have been over here for years and more people die unpleasant deaths as a result of accidents in the home each year (ca 4000) than the result of terrorist activities.
How quickly the propagandist will resort to presenting perception over reality.  Next will come the patriotism and belonging cards.
The topic is "Is SY all it is cracked up to be". NSY make mistakes and has beaten confessions out of people period.
Why argue against it?

[Mr Gray]

Merciful heavens sir there you go again! I stated incontrovertible facts and you refer to it as criticism. By what device may fact be construed as criticism?
The rest of your argument is over emotional, naive and not relevant to the thread. "They" have been over here for years and more people die unpleasant deaths as a result of accidents in the home each year (ca 4000) than the result of terrorist activities.
How quickly the propagandist will resort to presenting perception over reality.  Next will come the patriotism and belonging cards.
The topic is "Is SY all it is cracked up to be". NSY make mistakes and has beaten confessions out of people period.
Why argue against it?

So NSY make mistakes and ...in the past have beaten confessions out of people...in what way does that answer the question?

What are SY cracked up to be....I still find it objectionable to be so critical of our police forces when  acting in extreme circumstances...your statement that more people die unpleasant deaths in the home is bizarre to say the least..so we needn't worry about the terrorist threat....how many were killed in the 9/11 attack.

You have no way of knowing just how many lives NSY have saved due to their counter terrorist activities....you are the one who is naïve.....all those checks at the airports...the police should be concentrating on accidents in the home

[jassi]

I wonder if the current lot of terrorists are any more dangerous than their IRA counterparts were ?
I certainly don't remember this degree of attention when they were active.

[Mr Gray]

I wonder if the current lot of terrorists are any more dangerous than their IRA counterparts were ?
I certainly don't remember this degree of attention when they were active.

I don't remember the IRA demolishing skycrapers with planes...nor having a seemingly endless supply of suicide bombers

[jassi]

Method change.

In actual fact, terrorists don't need to do anything, as the mere threat is enough to send western governments into a tailspin and introduce all sorts of draconian measures against their own populations.

[Mr Gray]

Method change.

In actual fact, terrorists don't need to do anything, as the mere threat is enough to send western governments into a tailspin and introduce all sorts of draconian measures against their own populations.

Oh dear....lets hope the first bomb blows you up and not me

[jassi]

Extremely unlikely, in my opinion.

[Mr Gray]

Extremely unlikely, in my opinion.

very unlikely...but the threat I think is very likely...the Uk will not stand by and see ISIS commit the awful atrocities they have started... they will get involved and then the UK will become a target..we will be looking to SY to protect us

[Brietta]

black hats and white hats is exactly what you are guilty of...same as everybody else

continuing to cite terrorists cases to criticise SY...How do you counter those who are prepared to hack off someone's head and blow up hundreds of innocents...they will be here soon I'm afraid. You will be telling me next they have never had internment in Portugal...they haven't needed it.

To fight terrorism requires desperate measures...innocent people will be arrested...the option is to allow thousands of deaths in the uk

They are here already, davel, in fact we have so many to spare we are able to export them; there has been an attempt at one public beheading so watch this space.
All that stands between them and us are the security services.

[Alice Purjorick]

So NSY make mistakes and ...in the past have beaten confessions out of people...in what way does that answer the question?

What are SY cracked up to be....I still find it objectionable to be so critical of our police forces when  acting in extreme circumstances...your statement that more people die unpleasant deaths in the home is bizarre to say the least..so we needn't worry about the terrorist threat....how many were killed in the 9/11 attack.

You have no way of knowing just how many lives NSY have saved due to their counter terrorist activities....you are the one who is naïve.....all those checks at the airports...the police should be concentrating on accidents in the home

Now remind me where that was. As I recall that was not on British soil correct me if I am wrong.
What I find bizarre is you raising the emotional ante in your language every time I state a fact about NSY that does not fit with your debating stance. Stating facts is not criticism.
As far as Brietta's comment about public beheadings is concerned remember the public lynching of two squaddy corporals in Casement Park in 1988? the first part of that was televised by news stations including the BBC. Think of all the mainland IRA activity there was over a period of two decades and you seriously believe we are in more danger now?
You cannot deflect from the truth Davel no matter how unpalatable you find it and naively repeating it is all justified because the barbarians are at the gates will not change that.

[Mr Gray]

Now remind me where that was. As I recall that was not on British soil correct me if I am wrong.
What I find bizarre is you raising the emotional ante in your language every time I state a fact about NSY that does not fit with your debating stance. Stating facts is not criticism.
As far as Brietta's comment about public beheadings is concerned remember the public lynching of two squaddy corporals in Casement Park in 1988? the first part of that was televised by news stations including the BBC. Think of all the mainland IRA activity there was over a period of two decades and you seriously believe we are in more danger now?
You cannot deflect from the truth Davel no matter how unpalatable you find it and naively repeating it is all justified because the barbarians are at the gates will not change that.

it is you that is deflecting...you have not answered the most important question which I asked some time ago...What ARE SY cracked up to be...this is the rather clumsy title of the thread...until we decide the answer to this question we cannot decide anything...

The terrorist issue is an aside and we will not agree...yes I think we are at much more of a threat now...remember Lee Rigby....and again...how many lives have SY saved...we don't know..


But first...to be on topic...what is the OT supposed to mean..

[jassi]

it is you that is deflecting...you have not answered the most important question which I asked some time ago...What ARE SY cracked up to be...this is the rather clumsy title of the thread...until we decide the answer to this question we cannot decide anything...

The terrorist issue is an aside and we will not agree...yes I think we are at much more of a threat now...remember Lee Rigby....and again...how many lives have SY saved...we don't know..


But first...to be on topic...what is the OT supposed to mean..

One individual. Extremely sad for the family, but hardly a major disaster for the country at large.

[Mr Gray]

One individual. Extremely sad for the family, but hardly a major disaster for the country at large.

I think it is a disaster for the country at large...a strange and callous sentiment from you

[jassi]

No, a disaster for the country would be paralysis of the transport or energy system, or a nuclear explosion.