Is SY all it's cracked up to be ?

[Alfred R Jones]

Do you think so?  My life has continued pretty much the same.

You just don't get it do you?  Never mind, you're alright Jack. 

[jassi]

Don't even know what year it was, don't care either.

To tell you the truth, I have forgotten.

[jassi]

You just don't get it do you?  Never mind, you're alright Jack.

Absolutely.

[Mr Gray]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jul/07/london-bombings-anti-terrorism
London bombings: the day the anti-terrorism rules changed

The controversial Terrorism Act 2006 passed after the 7 July bombings lead to increased arrests and convictions

as I have said earlier...the british bobby never wanted to be armed...so its the terrorists and criminals who are responsible for deaths by armed police

[jassi]

Putting more armed police on the streets is going to make a big difference?

[Mr Gray]

Putting more armed police on the streets is going to make a big difference?

in your very limited opinion...so all those armed police...perhaps you haven't seen them...at airports...are not making travel safer...it's at times like this when I do feel my opinion is superior

[jassi]

in your very limited opinion...so all those armed police...perhaps you haven't seen them...at airports...are not making travel safer...it's at times like this when I do feel my opinion is superior

I don't suppose I shall be seeing many in Carlisle.

[Alfred R Jones]

Or so we are led to believe.

What level of protection do you feel would be appropriate against the threat of terrorism from Muslim extremists?  Would you prefer it if the government said to its people: "shit happens, there's nothing anyone can do about terrorism, just get on with your lives - ever considered moving to Carlisle?"

[Alice Purjorick]

What level of protection do you feel would be appropriate against the threat of terrorism from Muslim extremists?  Would you prefer it if the government said to its people: "shit happens, there's nothing anyone can do about terrorism, just get on with your lives - ever considered moving to Carlisle?"

So statistically speaking what are the chances of dying in a terrorist attack in The UK vs dying in an a RTA? How many people have died in London as the result of terrorist attacks since say 1974 and how many people died in the Moorgate tube crash of that year and the Kings Cross fire of 1987?. Has the incidence of terrorist attacks per decade increased or decreased since 1970s. How many attacks have there been by Islamic Extremists vs say The Real IRA. How many attacks have there been on Mosques in the present decade?
Don't be so bloody silly, Alfred, of course we want the security services to be on the ball but you are all at sixes and sevens in a world of perception over reality, punting your own shallow agenda about which really amounts to little more than anyone who is remotely critical of the McCanns is typified as socially inferior or lacking in mores and anything else you might care to insinuate. I can recommend a good book: "The War of The Running Dogs" by Noel Barber.

[Alfred R Jones]

So statistically speaking what are the chances of dying in a terrorist attack in The UK vs dying in an a RTA? How many people have died in London as the result of terrorist attacks since say 1974 and how many people died in the Moorgate tube crash of that year and the Kings Cross fire of 1987?. Has the incidence of terrorist attacks per decade increased or decreased since 1970s. How many attacks have there been by Islamic Extremists vs say The Real IRA. How many attacks have there been on Mosques in the present decade?
Don't be so bloody silly, Alfred, of course we want the security services to be on the ball but you are all at sixes and sevens in a world of perception over reality, punting your own shallow agenda about which really amounts to little more than anyone who is remotely critical of the McCanns is typified as socially inferior or lacking in mores and anything else you might care to insinuate. I can recommend a good book: "The War of The Running Dogs" by Noel Barber.

This sentence of yours makes little sense: "Don't be so bloody silly, Alfred, of course we want the security services to be on the ball but you are all at sixes and sevens in a world of perception over reality, punting your own shallow agenda about which really amounts to little more than anyone who is remotely critical of the McCanns is typified as socially inferior or lacking in mores and anything else you might care to insinuate".

Could you please quote specifically what I have written on this thread that you consider to be "so bloody silly" and then I will know specifically what it is you have an objection to. 

When you talk about the statistics of dying in a terrorist attack now versus then, would you care to consider just why there are so few successful attacks in this country?  Could it have anything whatsoever to do with successful measures taken by security forces to prevent more attacks, or not at all in your view?   Incidentally, fewer people now die in Road Traffic accidents than then did years ago because of government imposed sanctions on our civil liberties - do you object to these in principal? 

As an aside, if we were talking about measures put in place by government to protect children against abuse or neglect at the expense of our civil liberties, then I've no doubt it would be a whole different argument wouldn't it? 

[Alice Purjorick]

This sentence of yours makes little sense: "Don't be so bloody silly, Alfred, of course we want the security services to be on the ball but you are all at sixes and sevens in a world of perception over reality, punting your own shallow agenda about which really amounts to little more than anyone who is remotely critical of the McCanns is typified as socially inferior or lacking in mores and anything else you might care to insinuate".

Could you please quote specifically what I have written on this thread that you consider to be "so bloody silly" and then I will know specifically what it is you have an objection to. 

When you talk about the statistics of dying in a terrorist attack now versus then, would you care to consider just why there are so few successful attacks in this country?  Could it have anything whatsoever to do with successful measures taken by security forces to prevent more attacks, or not at all in your view?   Incidentally, fewer people now die in Road Traffic accidents than then did years ago because of government imposed sanctions on our civil liberties - do you object to these in principal? 

As an aside, if we were talking about measures put in place by government to protect children against abuse or neglect at the expense of our civil liberties, then I've no doubt it would be a whole different argument wouldn't it?

Merciful heavens sir; I cannot believe you are really that simple that you failed to understand the meaning of my post.
Which basically is: don't be bloody daft in suggesting some of us do not want our security services to be on the ball.
Don't be bloody daft relying on the old "let's deal in perception rather than reality" routine.
Don't be bloody daft in suggesting that anyone who is slightly skeptical of the McCanns or says a good word about anything Portuguese or makes a critical comment about NSY is somehow socially, mentally or morally deficient.
It says more about you than the recipients. *&*%£

[Mr Gray]

All these points you raise are basically meaningless in assessing the competence of SY...it's called anecdotal evidence..its like saying someone who smokes 100 cigarettes a day and lives till they are 90 proves smoking is good for you

[Alice Purjorick]

All these points you raise are basically meaningless in assessing the competence of SY...it's called anecdotal evidence..its like saying someone who smokes 100 cigarettes a day and lives till they are 90 proves smoking is good for you

The response was to Alfred The Caddis Fly Expert asking me what was bloody silly about his post.
Do keep up dear boy.

[faithlilly]

Two more children let down by SY :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1345219/Rachel-Nickells-son-witness-murder-breaks-18-year-silence.html

[Alfred R Jones]

Yes, let down by a police force who were convinced they'd already got their man, despite a complete lack of evidence and a stubborn refusal to consider the alternatives.  Lessons the Met have hopefully learned by now, let's hope the PJ have learned from their similar failings in the Madeleine McCann case.