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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #105 on: September 21, 2014, 02:42:33 PM »
1. S.Hubbard, K Mccann, A.Cowley, for example see http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/05/mccanns-pressure-and-harass-ocean-club.html , this was genuine investigation re the tapas bookings.
2. Yes that's right, the clinic is number 12.

Voice Over: What she saw, what she knows, and what could have this employee of the Ocean Club said to raise such an interest by the McCanns? 'Francisca', a fictitious name, was persistently approached at the end of the last year by the ‘spearhead’ of the couple in Portugal. Susan Hubbard, the wife of the Anglican Father [Haynes], in Praia da Luz, went various times to the tourist complex, to the house and even left notes in the mail box. She was determined to put her [the employee] in contact with Kate.

‘Francisca’ – She told me: ‘Kate wants to make contact with you, because she wants to make you questions, etc...’. And I said: ‘What questions? Because there’s a detail, at the time I was on my break. I had three days off, do you understand it?’ So, what I have seen, what I have not seen, who was there, who was not, I don’t know.

Voice Over: This witness might be key in the investigation, since she lives near to the churchthe place where the former coordinator of the investigation suspects that Madeleine’s body passed through. The worker for the position she occupied, controlled a great part of the conversations and faces that appeared in Praia da Luz during the long months of the investigation. The insistency of Susan, so that ‘Francisca’ gave her personal email address arouse suspicions.

‘Francisca’ – She wanted to get in my ‘site’, to see who I was talking to or who I was in contact.

Voice Over: The contact with Kate happened a month later, via SMS. In the texted messages, Madeleine’s mother, warned that family members would go to Praia da Luz in the following days, and that she would be contacted personally. The approach was made, not by the mother nor by Gerry’s sister, but by Arthur Bailey [fictional name?], a detective hired by the family, who was once an inspector of the Scotland Yard.

‘Francisca’ – He made me some questions, what were my impressions, lots of things…

Journalist – And do you believe that they were suspecting that you…

‘Francisca’ – That I knew more than what I was saying.. That was my impression…

Journalist – …That you were working as an informer to someone?

‘Francisca’ – Exactly.

Voice Over: From the talks that she had with her colleagues ‘Francisca’ believes that she was the only Ocean Club employee target of the private detectives and of the couple. She doesn’t have doubts that Madeleine is dead and she hopes to explain why to Gonçalo Amaral, now that the former inspector is committed in reopening the process.

3 MAY 2009 | POSTED BY JOANA MORAIS
« Last Edit: September 21, 2014, 02:49:14 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #106 on: September 21, 2014, 05:00:10 PM »
KM/SH/AC were genuinely investigating the tapas bookings situation.
"Arthur Bailey" has the surname obfuscated only.
"Francisca" is obfuscated however it's easy enough to work out who that is from the following.
They actually contacted the wrong person, as "Francisca" was not even in PDL on the relevant dates.
The name of the person they were actually intending to contact is given in the video.
As I said IMO it was a genuine attempt by an innocent mum, with the help of a PDL friend and a UK PI,  to get more info from an innocent employee about the tapas booking events in the relevant week.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2014, 05:06:04 PM by pegasus »

Offline sadie

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #107 on: September 21, 2014, 09:00:52 PM »
When seen by A.Smith, the man had already passed the clinic and crossed Rua 25 Abril.
Do we know for sure that he had crossed the road R. 25 Abril, cos it was not entirely clear from Aoifes statement imo.

We had a long and tortuous thread on this Pegasus.  I am sorry but I cant remember the name of the thread.

Offline Anna

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #108 on: September 21, 2014, 09:07:05 PM »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #109 on: September 21, 2014, 09:37:35 PM »
Going back to "SQ" - from statements it can be worked out that a quantity of uk staff lived in two or more shared apartments in a building "white and blue" and fairly close to Ocean Club, and the only buildings of that colour and big enough are IMO either this one, or Cristaluz.

Offline sadie

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #110 on: September 21, 2014, 10:57:19 PM »
Was this it Sadie .. Probably wrong
 http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3519.msg181012#msg181012

Thanks for trying Anna, but that is not the one.

It was probably about 9 or 12 months ago, before you joined I think Anna.


We analysed a lot of stuff to do with what happened at the bottom of Rua D'Escola .... and decided that Smithman could have gone east or south.  From Aiofes statement definitely NOT west at that junction.


I am inclined to think it more likely that he went south down the steps, but we just dont know.  SY will have questioned Aoife, I guess, and they will know.

Offline sadie

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #111 on: September 21, 2014, 11:01:51 PM »
Going back to "SQ" - from statements it can be worked out that a quantity of uk staff lived in two or more shared apartments in a building "white and blue" and fairly close to Ocean Club, and the only buildings of that colour and big enough are IMO either this one, or Cristaluz.

I am not saying that you are wrong Pegasus.  I admire your detailed research, but someone on the 3A's siad that the "Pedras Brancas" building was the Staff Quarters.   Maybe the other building, "Cristaluz", also had some O.C. staff resident?

Offline Anna

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #112 on: September 21, 2014, 11:41:22 PM »
well at least I think I found that abandoned villa down the steps
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1390.msg38673#msg38673

“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #113 on: September 22, 2014, 12:28:11 AM »
That building is probably two properties? (ETA sorry, Heri pointed this out earlier this thread)
« Last Edit: September 22, 2014, 12:56:56 AM by pegasus »

Offline pegasus

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #114 on: September 22, 2014, 01:38:47 AM »
I am not saying that you are wrong Pegasus.  I admire your detailed research, but someone on the 3A's siad that the "Pedras Brancas" building was the Staff Quarters.   Maybe the other building, "Cristaluz", also had some O.C. staff resident?
BTW it is the block shown in grey to the northeast of block 5, in first map here http://www.mccannfiles.com/id94.html


Offline sadie

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #115 on: September 22, 2014, 01:52:00 AM »
That building is probably two properties? (ETA sorry, Heri pointed this out earlier this thread)
I agree Pegasus.  I think the part that Anna shows is inhabited but the abandoned part is attached to it and it faces on to R.25 Abril just opposite LuzDocs and almost directly at the bottom of R. d'Escola.  Trouble is that for Smithman to be going there he would have had to have turned west near Aoife ... and we earlier proved that he turned east or carried on going South down the steps.

Sorry, I dont know how to display it but once again Heriberto Janosches wonderful photos. 
1)  Three views of it .  In the final photograph, you will see a blue road sign with a white triangle on it.  That is where Aoife was and the steps go down at the point to the right.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1390.msg38673#msg38673
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2013, 08:24:55 PM »


2)  There is also a derelict property virtually adjoining Kellys bar in R, de Calhete

3)  And another derelict property right opposite The Church

There are probably more derelict properties that I haven't identified.

Offline sadie

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #116 on: September 22, 2014, 01:57:07 AM »
BTW it is the block shown in grey to the northeast of block 5, in first map here http://www.mccannfiles.com/id94.html
Thanks.  The block just across the road at the front but one block east, I guess.

Am tired.  Shame, I like these late night sleuthing sessions


Nigh Night pegasus  xx, Nigh Night Anna xx

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #117 on: September 22, 2014, 01:59:24 AM »
Thanks.  The block just across the road at the front but one block east, I guess.

Am tired.  Shame, I like these late night sleuthing sessions


Nigh Night pegasus  xx, Nigh Night Anna xx

Yes, it is peaceful at this time of night.  Nite, nite, Sadie.

Offline sadie

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #118 on: September 22, 2014, 02:04:18 AM »
Yes, it is peaceful at this time of night.  Nite, nite, Sadie.
Nigh Night Eleanor, Nigh Night Misty, Nigh Night all xx

Offline misty

Re: The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.
« Reply #119 on: September 22, 2014, 02:30:27 AM »
Nigh Night Eleanor, Nigh Night Misty, Nigh Night all xx

Night Sadie x