The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.

[alphonse]

I know lots of people dismiss the indications from the dogs completely and I understand why but I just have a nagging feeling about the clothes in that bag taken from the villa. Did young Sean come into contact with someone who had been in contact with a cadaver and his shorts contaminated the clothes of Mrs Mc Cann?  You can imagine why I would be interested in a man typically Anglo but with sun exposure seen near beach on night of disappearance. The cops interviewed a gardener at length. I could see that, ok. What about sailors?  They are windswept types and various FBI people said it might pay to look at people who had even minimal contact with Madeleine during the week. What would we know, anyhow, compared to two police forces..........??  A tragic case that will probably not be resolved without a confession

[alphonse]

How did I come to my conclusion about Sean´s clothes' ?  Well, the dog did not alert to any other flat belonging to the Tapas friends nor to anything in the flat the Mc Cann family were moved to. So, if the alert on Mrs Mc Cann´s trousers was a good alert why did it not show up if she sat down in her new flat wearing those trousers?  Nothing belonging to Gerald nor Amelie. My conclusion was it was transfer from Sean´s clothes in that pile seen in the video on top of a low cupboard type thing.........................of course it would not be the first time I have been wrong but a very open mind is needed on this case. Who knew or could find out about the open patio doors....???? Ok, a wandering psycho could just happen across this situation but how many little girls disappear on hols??  It would be a huge coincidence that  a nutter trying doors just got lucky [ not impossible, I know]

[Robittybob1]

How did I come to my conclusion about Sean´s clothes' ?  Well, the dog did not alert to any other flat belonging to the Tapas friends nor to anything in the flat the Mc Cann family were moved to. So, if the alert on Mrs Mc Cann´s trousers was a good alert why did it not show up if she sat down in her new flat wearing those trousers?  Nothing belonging to Gerald nor Amelie. My conclusion was it was transfer from Sean´s clothes in that pile seen in the video on top of a low cupboard type thing.........................of course it would not be the first time I have been wrong but a very open mind is needed on this case. Who knew or could find out about the open patio doors....???? Ok, a wandering psycho could just happen across this situation but how many little girls disappear on hols??  It would be a huge coincidence that  a nutter trying doors just got lucky [ not impossible, I know]

You don't seem to be taking into account Goncalo Amaral's theory of moving the body.   What Kate or whoever moved it, were wearing then would be more important than what Kate was wearing on the night of the 3rd.

[alphonse]

I dismissed all that as a wrong turn by the police  as soon as the files were made public and I went through them. Am I wrong? Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Holly Goodhead]

How did I come to my conclusion about Sean´s clothes' ?  Well, the dog did not alert to any other flat belonging to the Tapas friends nor to anything in the flat the Mc Cann family were moved to. So, if the alert on Mrs Mc Cann´s trousers was a good alert why did it not show up if she sat down in her new flat wearing those trousers?  Nothing belonging to Gerald nor Amelie. My conclusion was it was transfer from Sean´s clothes in that pile seen in the video on top of a low cupboard type thing.........................of course it would not be the first time I have been wrong but a very open mind is needed on this case. Who knew or could find out about the open patio doors....???? Ok, a wandering psycho could just happen across this situation but how many little girls disappear on hols??  It would be a huge coincidence that  a nutter trying doors just got lucky [ not impossible, I know]

Anyone observing/hearing the McCanns exit/enter via the patio doors would know 5A was unlocked since the doors can't be locked externally.  This of course would not rule out the possibility an adult had entered earlier via the patio doors or front door and was inside the apartment whilst the McCanns were at tapas.  Any would be intruder would also need to be mindful of the fact the McCanns may have had a baby monitor in place.

[ShiningInLuz]

Anyone observing/hearing the McCanns exit/enter via the patio doors would know 5A was unlocked since the doors can't be unlocked internally.  This of course would not rule out the possibility an adult had entered earlier via the patio doors or front door and was inside the apartment whilst the McCanns were at tapas.  Any would be intruder would also need to be mindful of the fact the McCanns may have had a baby monitor in place.

How fast can you run, Holly?

I'm getting slower as I get older.  But if you started at the Tapas restaurant and I started at 5A, I reckon I would make good my escape.

[Holly Goodhead]

How fast can you run, Holly?

I'm getting slower as I get older.  But if you started at the Tapas restaurant and I started at 5A, I reckon I would make good my escape.

I need to be careful what I say here otherwise I might inadvertently give away my theory and suspect(s) but imo the whole case can be unraveled by the following:

Anyone observing/hearing the McCanns exit/enter via the patio doors would know 5A was unlocked since the doors can't be locked externally.  This of course would not rule out the possibility an adult had entered earlier via the patio doors or front door and was inside the apartment whilst the McCanns were at tapas.  Any would be intruder would also need to be mindful of the fact the McCanns may have had a baby monitor in place.

Work it our for yourselves guys n gals 

[alphonse]

Hi Holly Goodhead, do you think Smithman was the abductor? 

[Miss Taken Identity]

I need to be careful what I say here otherwise I might inadvertently give away my theory and suspect(s) but imo the whole case can be unraveled by the following:

Anyone observing/hearing the McCanns exit/enter via the patio doors would know 5A was unlocked since the doors can't be locked externally.  This of course would not rule out the possibility an adult had entered earlier via the patio doors or front door and was inside the apartment whilst the McCanns were at tapas.  Any would be intruder would also need to be mindful of the fact the McCanns may have had a baby monitor in place.

Work it our for yourselves guys n gals 

You don't think it could have been Mrs Penn upstairs? 

 Well from that you say, the people who knew all that was indeed the T9.

[Robittybob1]

How fast can you run, Holly?

I'm getting slower as I get older.  But if you started at the Tapas restaurant and I started at 5A, I reckon I would make good my escape.

But only if you were starting off at the same time not a minute after her.

[misty]

I know lots of people dismiss the indications from the dogs completely and I understand why but I just have a nagging feeling about the clothes in that bag taken from the villa. Did young Sean come into contact with someone who had been in contact with a cadaver and his shorts contaminated the clothes of Mrs Mc Cann?  You can imagine why I would be interested in a man typically Anglo but with sun exposure seen near beach on night of disappearance. The cops interviewed a gardener at length. I could see that, ok. What about sailors?  They are windswept types and various FBI people said it might pay to look at people who had even minimal contact with Madeleine during the week. What would we know, anyhow, compared to two police forces..........??  A tragic case that will probably not be resolved without a confession

How are you correlating the alleged contamination of Sean's clothing with the actions of a seafaring stranger removing Madeleine from 5A, hiding her for 2 days & then taking her out to sea in a dinghy?

[alphonse]

Well, I am only throwing it out there as a possibility that would explain the dog alert on the clothes. I have never thought the perp was a total stranger in the sense that the crime was random. That´s just how I see it-- I obviously don´t know what happened. I can´t say much more without getting into deep water.

 I always thought it was crazy when after the dog alerts observors split into two camps:

1. The dogs were wrong as the Mc Canns were innocent or
2. The dogs were correct as the Mc Canns covered for something.

 I just thought:
3. Why not , the dogs were correct but it had nothing to do with the Mc Cann parents?? 

[Robittybob1]

Well, I am only throwing it out there as a possibility that would explain the dog alert on the clothes. I have never thought the perp was a total stranger in the sense that the crime was random. That´s just how I see it-- I obviously don´t know what happened. I can´t say much more without getting into deep water.

 I always thought it was crazy when after the dog alerts observors split into two camps:

1. The dogs were wrong as the Mc Canns were innocent or
2. The dogs were correct as the Mc Canns covered for something.

 I just thought:
3. Why not , the dogs were correct but it had nothing to do with the Mc Cann parents??

Number 3 is more inline with my theory.  That someone took a cadaver to the McCanns apartment and removed it after the PJ locked up for the night.

[misty]

Well, I am only throwing it out there as a possibility that would explain the dog alert on the clothes. I have never thought the perp was a total stranger in the sense that the crime was random. That´s just how I see it-- I obviously don´t know what happened. I can´t say much more without getting into deep water.

 I always thought it was crazy when after the dog alerts observors split into two camps:

1. The dogs were wrong as the Mc Canns were innocent or
2. The dogs were correct as the Mc Canns covered for something.

 I just thought:
3. Why not , the dogs were correct but it had nothing to do with the Mc Cann parents??

IMO.....
1 & 2 are black & white.
 Number 3 leads you into the grey areas of how the dogs could be correct in only McCann related areas but effectively failed in all other non-McCann related areas. That issue is compounded if Madeleine was, in fact, removed by an abductor & taken towards the seafront.
I just can't see an innocent explanation for the VRD alerts to Sean's T-shirt & shorts when the other not-so-random alerts are factored in to the intelligence gathered during the dogs' deployment.

[sadie]

I need to be careful what I say here otherwise I might inadvertently give away my theory and suspect(s) but imo the whole case can be unraveled by the following:

Anyone observing/hearing the McCanns exit/enter via the patio doors would know 5A was unlocked since the doors can't be locked externally.  This of course would not rule out the possibility an adult had entered earlier via the patio doors or front door and was inside the apartment whilst the McCanns were at tapas.  Any would be intruder would also need to be mindful of the fact the McCanns may have had a baby monitor in place.

Work it our for yourselves guys n gals 

Well as far as I can see, that ties it down to one of the cleaners and maybe her relatives.


Did any of the child carers go in there at all?