The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.

[pegasus]

...Was it ever established exactly which building Pedras Brancas is and whether it is on Smithman's possible route?

Yes and yes. If you are walking south along Rua Escola Primeira, it is on your right, just before the smith sighting. It has 7 floors, 2 lifts, and dozens of apartments.

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[sadie]

Yes and yes. If you are walking south along Rua Escola Primeira, it is on your right, just before the smith sighting. It has 7 floors, 2 lifts, and dozens of apartments.

I think this is it. 

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/5064/iyf8.jpg



It is the Staff Quarters

Just about 50 metres from Peter Smith along the same road, Rua da Escola Primeira.  As I have several times pointed out, this is the building that according to the 3A's forum, a scream came from at a pertinent time.

It was on Smithmans route and I wonder if he had just come from there when he bumped into the Smiths.

[pegasus]

Sadie is correct.

[sadie]

I think this is it. 

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/5064/iyf8.jpg



It is the Staff Quarters

Just about 50 metres from Peter Smith along the same road, Rua da Escola Primeira.  As I have several times pointed out, this is the building that according to the 3A's forum, a scream came from at a pertinent time.

It was on Smithmans route and I wonder if he had just come from there when he bumped into the Smiths.

Smithman almost certainly came from the north which is to the right of the above picture and he may have gone in to the staff quarters before carrying on down to the Smiths.  They were downhill exiting the photo to its left.
I hope you can understand me.

The photo below is taken from a spot where he had just passed the staff quarters.  He met Peter Smith and co about 40 metres down the slope, somewhere near where you see the first tall building on the left

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9058/zvk9.jpg

[misty]

Yes and yes. If you are walking south along Rua Escola Primeira, it is on your right, just before the smith sighting. It has 7 floors, 2 lifts, and dozens of apartments.

Thank you, Pegasus and Sadie.
It doesn't really make sense that "Smithman" would have been in & out of that building, with child, in the time slot available. As the building was used for the staff at OC, that would no doubt explain the screams.
As you are both here, can you tell me if you have come across UK-book. info...the phonebook of.....(harding ginger)?

[sadie]

Thank you, Pegasus and Sadie.
It doesn't really make sense that "Smithman" would have been in & out of that building, with child, in the time slot available. As the building was used for the staff at OC, that would no doubt explain the screams.
As you are both here, can you tell me if you have come across UK-book. info...the phonebook of.....(harding ginger)?

Sorry, I cant help you on that.

[pegasus]

In this photo http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/5064/iyf8.jpg the lowest floor, which is an incomplete floor because of the ground slope, has numbering 001, 002, 003, etc. The next floor up, which is the first complete floor, has numbering 101, 102, 103, etc, so is the floor where this diligence being discussed took place. There are 7 floors in all.

[sadie]

Thank you, Pegasus and Sadie.
It doesn't really make sense that "Smithman" would have been in & out of that building, with child, in the time slot available. As the building was used for the staff at OC, that would no doubt explain the screams.
As you are both here, can you tell me if you have come across UK-book. info...the phonebook of.....(harding ginger)?

We dont know what time the abduction took place, Misty.  Personally, I think he stayed at the Staff quarters until he got a message to go somewhere else .... a pick up, maybe?


I have always thought that the actual lifting of Madeleine from her bed was done by someone that Madeleine knew and trusted.   OC Staff, perhaps?
But both these things are only thoughts. 


He could also have picked up a long sleeve cardi there for Madeleine.

[sadie]

In this photo http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/5064/iyf8.jpg the lowest floor, which is an incomplete floor because of the ground slope, has numbering 001, 002, 003, etc. The next floor up, which is the first complete floor, has numbering 101, 102, 103, etc, so is the floor where this diligence being discussed took place. There are 7 floors in all.

Another thought just came to me.  Robert Murats house was on a slope, same as 5A.
There was reportedly a big void underneath Murats.  Might there also have been an accessable void under The Staff Quarters?



Now at this interesting point, pease forgive me, I must get to bed ... an zonked !

Nigh night

[misty]

We dont know what time the abduction took place, Misty.  Personally, I think he stayed at the Staff quarters until he got a message to go somewhere else .... a pick up, maybe?


I have always thought that the actual lifting of Madeleine from her bed was done by someone that Madeleine knew and trusted.   OC Staff, perhaps?
But both these things are only thoughts. 


He could also have picked up a long sleeve cardi there for Madeleine.

I believe the abduction took place at around 9.30, because of a certain comment made. I don't believe it was by anyone she knew and I believe she was alive when she left the apartment. I believe there was only one member of staff involved, purely for the purposes of getting the key.

[sadie]

Smithman almost certainly came from the north which is to the right of the above picture and he may have gone in to the staff quarters before carrying on down to the Smiths.  They were downhill exiting the photo to its left.
I hope you can understand me.

The photo below is taken from a spot where he had just passed the staff quarters.  He met Peter Smith and co about 40 metres down the slope, somewhere near where you see the first tall building on the left

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9058/zvk9.jpg

The bottom photo is looking down Rua D'Escola towards the south and the sea.
I should add that at the bottom of the road, where the car and pale orange coloured house is that is  Rua 25 Abril. 

Aoifie was just to the left of that car when she saw Smithman, but at this stage of his walk he wouldn't have seen her or Martin Smith, because they hadn't arrived there yet.  I wonder if Peter Smith was also out of view at this stage of Smithmans walk?


To go towards the church, Smithman had to turn left at the car (go east).  To go towards the beach Smithman had to go straight on at the car, down a flight of steps (go south)


From things said in Aoifies statement, We have already ruled out the likelyhood of him turning right (west)

[pegasus]

Re http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg184507#msg184507
As Sadie points out this building also features in a Sol article about a muffled cry.
Majority of the many apartments in building were homes of local residents, or holiday lets, however a smaller number of apartments here were employer-provided accomodation for MW seasonal staff so for example a good proportion of the childcare workers lived here (although you won't find that directly stated anywhere in the files)

[pegasus]

On the written statement sheets of some MW seasonal staff, the PJ in the box for local address just typed "at accommodation provided by the employer" or even just "unknown".
Why were their actual local addresses not typed by PJ?

[sadie]

Re http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg184507#msg184507
As Sadie points out this building also features in a Sol article about a muffled cry.
Majority of the many apartments in building were homes of local residents, or holiday lets, however a smaller number of apartments here were employer-provided accomodation for MW seasonal staff so for example a good proportion of the childcare workers lived here (although you won't find that directly stated anywhere in the files)

I dont think I can take credit for the Sol article Pegasus.  My info came just from reading the 3A's.  There were a couple or so brilliant sleuths in there.  Were you one of them?

So childcare workers employed by Mark Warner lived here.  Any other groups that you know about?

[sadie]

On the written statement sheets of some MW seasonal staff, the PJ in the box for local address just typed "at accommodation provided by the employer" or even just "unknown".
Why were their actual local addresses not typed by PJ?

How strange.  My antennae start twitching when I hear something like that.