The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Tannerman is Crecheman. The yard are correct. Smithman is the wanted man.

JT Rog
 
4078    “If you had have thought that was Madeleine at the time you would have said?”
Reply    “Well, yeah, if I’d have thought, yeah, you know, if I’d have seen it was Madeleine you’d have, you know, I’m not going to go ‘Oh there goes Madeleine’, you know, I would have shouted, but.  But, yeah, I know the Police think I’m a sympathetic witness and whatever, but I don’t know what I can do to”.
 
4078    “And what colours?”
Reply    “Dark colours, but again it was, I think it was quite dark, so dark, sort of darkish jacket but then a more, a lighter trouser but a horrible colour, again this is, sort of a yellowy dark browny, horrible, but not, not a nice colour trousers, but then I wonder whether that was the lights making them look, making them look more of a sort of a mustard, it wasn’t mustard because that’s too bright, but it was just like a, as I say they weren’t nice, they weren’t the sort of clothes I’d expect somebody on a MARK WARNER holiday to, they was, I can’t think of the material, I tried to describe this before, but sort of a cottony material but baggy”.
 
4078    “Okay.  And his build?”
Reply    “Medium, well sort of just normal build.  As I say, I think the clothes were quite baggy, so I think they made him look more bigger than he probably was, but.  And also he would have been, his shoulders would have been out, you know, sort of.  So, I think, erm, yeah, medium’ish, a medium’ish build”.
 
4078    “Is there anything else about the man that you can remember now?”
Reply    “No, I mean, I would be so worried now about things that are put into my, I think the only two things that I’m still absolutely adamant on is a lot of hair, sort of a lot of thick, thick hair and sort of dark and baggy, well not, ill fitting clothes I think is the sort of, you know, sort of is the two things that still, I mean obviously I get this image in my head all the time and they are the two things that are still, are still, are still there”.
 
4078    “I know this seems like an obvious question, which I think I know the answer to, because I’ve seen the artist’s impression, did you see the man’s face?”
Reply    “No, no, not, no, I mean, just the hair, well not, not that I could remember to give details, give details to”.
 
4078    “So you didn’t notice any car headlights or noises from cars?”
Reply    “No, no, because I think, you know, if I’d heard sort of a car screech off quickly at that point, I probably would have, would have taken notice I think”.

4078    “And later on did you think it was significant?”
Reply    “It was a, yeah, it was sort of came as soon as, as soon as they said that came, buff, straight.  As soon as I’d seen it there it was forgotten and then, buff, as soon as Rachael said”.

She remembers everything!! haha  I wonder if asked today if she recalls what day it was.


What is wrong with killers and abductors and general villans carrying a child in open streets?  Two people apparently did that night, and not of them were 'challenged' Hmm  sounds about right.

Little Jamie Bulger had experienced horrific torture during his abduction, his perpetrators showed no compassion or were seen to be acting strange' after the horrific death- they even tried to arrange an accident by train. THEY were children themselves not calculating, manipulative, adults!

[Brietta]

She remembers everything!! haha  I wonder if asked today if she recalls what day it was.


What is wrong with killers and abductors and general villans carrying a child in open streets?  Two people apparently did that night, and not of them were 'challenged' Hmm  sounds about right.

Little Jamie Bulger had experienced horrific torture during his abduction, his perpetrators showed no compassion or were seen to be acting strange' after the horrific death- they even tried to arrange an accident by train. THEY were children themselves not calculating, manipulative, adults!

James Bulger was marched, dragged and beaten through the streets by his murderers; many people witnessed it and although concerned by the treatment being dished out to him by what they assumed were his elder brothers … did not intervene.

Why then should people in a holiday resort where it was common to see children being carried home by their fathers think there was anything amiss.

Only when hearing about Madeleine’s kidnap did Jane Tanner make the association. 

It took the Smiths a bit longer than that to work out the implication of what they had seen.

Hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing.

[pegasus]

Residents, including some staff, went out and in of the Rua Escola Primeira main entrance of that building that evening. If Smithman did walk past the building that evening there would be a possibility that one of the people leaving or entering would see him.

[ferryman]

James Bulger was marched, dragged and beaten through the streets by his murderers; many people witnessed it and although concerned by the treatment being dished out to him by what they assumed were his elder brothers … did not intervene.

Why then should people in a holiday resort where it was common to see children being carried home by their fathers think there was anything amiss.

Only when hearing about Madeleine’s kidnap did Jane Tanner make the association. 

It took the Smiths a bit longer than that to work out the implication of what they had seen.

Hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing.

Brilliant post.

[pegasus]

The child the Smiths saw was asleep, with eyes closed.
If the child they saw was being abducted, no way would it be asleep.
The smithman=abductor theory does not work.

[Eleanor]

The child the Smiths saw was asleep, with eyes closed.
If the child they saw was being abducted, no way would it be asleep.
The smithman=abductor theory does not work.

It does if the child was drugged.

[pegasus]

It does if the child was drugged.

Administering a drug would explain the child being unconscious, and (possibly) the closed eyes.
But the smithman=abductor theory still doesn't work.
Because - A person who planned ahead well enough to obtain and take with him the appropriate drug, would also plan ahead and have a far better removal method than carrying uncovered in his arms through the streets.

[Eleanor]

Administering a drug would explain the child being unconscious, and (possibly) the closed eyes.
But the smithman=abductor theory still doesn't work.
Because - A person who planned ahead well enough to obtain and take with him the appropriate drug, would also plan ahead and have a far better removal method than carrying uncovered in his arms through the streets.

Not necessarily.  Chloroform is easy to obtain, or make from household products.

[pathfinder73]

Administering a drug would explain the child being unconscious, and (possibly) the closed eyes.
But the smithman=abductor theory still doesn't work.
Because - A person who planned ahead well enough to obtain and take with him the appropriate drug, would also plan ahead and have a far better removal method than carrying uncovered in his arms through the streets.

Smithman was carrying a dead child.

[Eleanor]

Smithman was carrying a dead child.

You do not know that.

[pegasus]

Smithman was carrying a dead child.

and he did not conceal the eyes?

[pathfinder73]

Smithman is the prime suspect and they're not digging and using cadaver dogs for no reason.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was.

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2014/mar/21/corrections-and-clarifications

[pegasus]

The supposedly overheard "Why did you bring her here?" conversation was reportedly "several hundred yards from the Ocean Club in a residential area towards the seafront".
http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2014-07-13/british-woman-tells-madeleine-police-she-overhead-man-saying-why-did-you-bring-her-here-now-well-have-to-dispose-of-the-body/

[pathfinder73]

The supposedly overheard "Why did you bring her here?" conversation was reportedly "several hundred yards from the Ocean Club in a residential area towards the seafront".
http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2014-07-13/british-woman-tells-madeleine-police-she-overhead-man-saying-why-did-you-bring-her-here-now-well-have-to-dispose-of-the-body/

If that statement is true it probably relates to Malinka being interviewed again. He lived by the Smithman sighting.

[pegasus]

If that statement is true it probably relates to Malinka being interviewed again. He lived by the Smithman sighting.

One of the UK newspaper reports about the "why did you bring her here?" conversation did claim it was overheard outside that R 25 Abril address.
However I think that particular newspaper is mistaken on that location detail. And this conversation sounds like it is indoors not outdoors IMO.