The Pedras Brancas building and Smithman's route.

[faithlilly]

It is quite logical if you accept that the man Jane Tanner saw was the abductor..  And there is no reason to suppose that he wasn't.  Unless anyone can explain why this other man was coming from entirely the wrong direction.

So you don't believe Redwood when he says he's 'almost certain' the man Tanner saw wasn't the abductee ?

[ferryman]

So you don't believe Redwood when he says he's 'almost certain' the man Tanner saw wasn't the abductee ?

 I think we can be pretty certain the man Jane Tanner saw wasn't abducted, no

[Brietta]

I think we can be pretty certain the man Jane Tanner saw wasn't abducted, no

Maybe some folk just have a difficulty with the word 'abductor'.

[Alice Purjorick]

Maybe some folk just have a difficulty with the word 'abductor'.

Nah! it's a geezer or geezeress who sells tickets on public transport. Or something you strap to a tall building to protect it from................

[VIXTE]

It is quite logical if you accept that the man Jane Tanner saw was the abductor..  And there is no reason to suppose that he wasn't.  Unless anyone can explain why this other man was coming from entirely the wrong direction.

To me the only lead that is there might be the one of the GNR dogs.

[pegasus]

This is a big building with probably about 40 apartments so there are going to be people going in and out its entrance directly on Rua Escola Primeira frequently in the evenings (for example at about 10.30pm a group of employees headed out socially from here).

[pegasus]

Just noticed this on an Alpha Investigations whiteboard
"9.50pm (blanked witness name) sights UK male carrying a child"
Is this the Smith sighting? If so it is interesting that Alpha decided that it was a "UK male".
Or is it a different sighting?

ETA or does it say "U/K" meaning "UnKnown"?

[Anna]

Just noticed this on an Alpha Investigations whiteboard
"9.50pm (blanked witness name) sights UK male carrying a child"
Is this the Smith sighting? If so it is interesting that Alpha decided that it was a "UK male".
Or is it a different sighting?

ETA or does it say "U/K" meaning "UnKnown"?

It is difficult to see without magnification, but it looks like U/K as in unknown.  Still don't know, who witnessed this though at 9.50pm

[pegasus]

It is difficult to see without magnification, but it looks like U/K as in unknown.  Still don't know, who witnessed this though at 9.50pm

Thanks. Here is the whiteboard http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LeG4PZ2ATdA/T2NY4qJIynI/AAAAAAAACmk/Y4_VWnELSnI/s400/mock+timeline1.bmp

[Anna]

Thanks. Here is the whiteboard http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LeG4PZ2ATdA/T2NY4qJIynI/AAAAAAAACmk/Y4_VWnELSnI/s400/mock+timeline1.bmp

Thank you Pegasus.

Yes, I would say that is U/K= unknown. The same as JT sighting.. U/K, earlier in the evening.
 They have the sighting, which is likely to be the Smith sighting, at 9.50pm.

[pegasus]

Thank you Pegasus.

Yes, I would say that is U/K= unknown. The same as JT sighting.. U/K, earlier in the evening.
 They have the sighting, which is likely to be the Smith sighting, at 9.50pm.

Ok agreed on U/K=unknown, and 9.50pm = Alpha time for Smith sighting.
(Seems Alpha did not refer to the restaurant card transaction at 21:27, nor the Kelly till records after that, which make 9.50pm impossible IMO)

[Brietta]

Ok agreed on U/K=unknown, and 9.50pm = Alpha time for Smith sighting.
(Seems Alpha did not refer to the restaurant card transaction at 21:27, nor the Kelly till records after that, which make 9.50pm impossible IMO)

What is the proof that Kelly's till record for 3rd has anything at all to do with the party of nine? 

Unsurprisingly, by the time staff were asked they could not remember serving them.

Did the Smiths have a receipt which tallied with the till roll?

[Anna]

What is the proof that Kelly's till record for 3rd has anything at all to do with the party of nine? 

Unsurprisingly, by the time staff were asked they could not remember serving them.

Did the Smiths have a receipt which tallied with the till roll?

You are correct Brietta. It is a bit confusing(to say the least) trying to work it out.
The till roll is on link below, but I don't know if a receipt was kept by the Smith family.

They would probably pay on collecting the drinks, so about 10 min minimum  to drink each round IMO.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

[Brietta]

You are correct Brietta. It is a bit confusing(to say the least) trying to work it out.
The till roll is on link below, but I don't know if a receipt was kept by the Smith family.

They would probably pay on collecting the drinks, so about 10 min minimum  to drink each round IMO.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

If there were other customers in the bar there is no way to tell which payment was made by whom ... therefore if the Smiths do not have a matching receipt ... there is no corroboration that the till roll has any connection to them at all.

The restaurant was paid with a card which is easily verifiable ... paying by cash leaves no trace, unless a receipt is kept.
IMO the till roll tells us nothing.

[pegasus]

That 9.50pm on the whiteboard is rubbish.
Because no way did a group of 9 people including young kids manage to leave a restaurant (that alone can easily take 10 minutes), walk to a bar, get served several drinks, drink them, leave the bar (again easily 10 minutes just for that) and walk partway home, all in less than 23 minutes total, it's ridiculous.