The Smith sighting revisited.

[pegasus]

Yes agreed. 9:39 paying for one round of drinks. 5 children colas cost around 6 Euros + 4 adult beverages = total 13.75

And do you agree that 9.39 is the time they were served the drinks?

[pathfinder73]

And do you agree that 9.39 is the time they were served the drinks?

Yes and left Kelly's bar after they finished them.

[misty]

Yes agreed. 9:39 paying for one round of drinks. 5 children colas cost around 6 Euros + 4 adult beverages = total 13.75

Both Martin & Peter said they had a couple/some drinks in the bar in their statement so is it reasonable to assume that the 9.50pm sale may have been theirs also? Otherwise, it is well past 10pm when a second round is bought.

Peter Smith

— He would like to clarify that on the 3rd of May, he and his family went to the Dolphin restaurant, situated in Praia da Luz, where they dined. Around 21H00 they left the restaurant and went to Kelly's Bar, about one minute away on foot. In Kelly's Bar (he does not remember the name of the street it is on) they had a few drinks, having left from there around 21H50/22H00.

Martin Smith

— Concerning the facts under investigation, on the 3rd of May, he went with his family to the Dolphin restaurant in Praia da Luz where they dined. Around 21H00 they left the restaurant and headed toward 'Kelly's Bar'; about a 50 metre distance from the restaurant, following the path, as it is very short. The walk took him a few minutes. In 'Kelly's Bar' they consumed some drinks. They left that establishment around 21H55 as his son would be travelling very early the next day. This bar is located on Calheta Street.

[pathfinder73]

Both Martin & Peter said they had a couple/some drinks in the bar in their statement so is it reasonable to assume that the 9.50pm sale may have been theirs also? Otherwise, it is well past 10pm when a second round is bought.

Peter Smith

— He would like to clarify that on the 3rd of May, he and his family went to the Dolphin restaurant, situated in Praia da Luz, where they dined. Around 21H00 they left the restaurant and went to Kelly's Bar, about one minute away on foot. In Kelly's Bar (he does not remember the name of the street it is on) they had a few drinks, having left from there around 21H50/22H00.

Martin Smith

— Concerning the facts under investigation, on the 3rd of May, he went with his family to the Dolphin restaurant in Praia da Luz where they dined. Around 21H00 they left the restaurant and headed toward 'Kelly's Bar'; about a 50 metre distance from the restaurant, following the path, as it is very short. The walk took him a few minutes. In 'Kelly's Bar' they consumed some drinks. They left that establishment around 21H55 as his son would be travelling very early the next day. This bar is located on Calheta Street.

Yes and probably had a few too many going from the 9pm arriving at Kelly Bar time  Lucky Aoife was the sober one.

[misty]

Yes and probably had a few too many going from the 9pm arriving at Kelly Bar time  Lucky Aoife was sober.

There weren't many drinks on that receipt from the Dolphin.

[pathfinder73]

There weren't many drinks on that receipt from the Dolphin.

To be honest you would have to talk to Martin & Peter to see how many drinks they had at Kelly's Bar. I personally think one round of drinks in 20 minutes is reasonable. It's not like they're out on a lads pub crawl!

[pegasus]

Yes and probably had a few too many going from the 9pm arriving at Kelly Bar time  Lucky Aoife was the sober one.

So we agree that they were served drinks at exactly 9.39. Then they commence to drink the drinks. At what time do you think they left Kellys?

[pathfinder73]

So we agree that they were served drinks at exactly 9.39. Then they commence to drink the drinks. At what time do you think they left Kellys?

20 minutes to have drinks so around 10pm.

Around 22H00, they left Kelly's Bar. The group headed, on foot, for their apartment.
— Questioned, she responds that she knows the time that they left.

[pegasus]

20 minutes to have drinks so around 10pm.

BTW the restaurant visit lasted 1 hour and 57 minutes.
There was certainly no queue to be served when they arrived at Kellys.
So they probably arrived at Kellys at 21.37, this allows 2 minutes for the drinks to be poured, giving the till record at exactly 21.39.
Add AS's 30 minutes onto 21:37 and you get them leaving Kellys at about 10.07.
Sighting was at about 10.15 I think.
Which would actually fit your theory much better.

[pathfinder73]

BTW the restaurant visit lasted 1 hour and 57 minutes.
There was certainly no queue to be served when they arrived at Kellys.
So they probably arrived at Kellys at 21.37, this allows 2 minutes for the drinks to be poured, giving the till record at exactly 21.39.
Add AS's 30 minutes onto 21:37 and you get them leaving Kellys at about 10.07.
Sighting was at about 10.15 I think.
Which would actually fit your theory much better.

10:03 connects with my theory.

"By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.

The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50." (MO 10 May)

[misty]

To be honest you would have to talk to Martin & Peter to see how many drinks they had at Kelly's Bar. I personally think one round of drinks in 20 minutes is reasonable. It's not like they're out on a lads pub crawl!

Being pedantic - both of the men said they had drink in the plural rather than "a drink" or "one drink". So there must have been another round purchased at 9.46pm or after.

[pegasus]

Being pedantic - both of the men said they had drink in the plural rather than "a drink" or "one drink". So there must have been another round purchased at 9.46pm or after.

Makes sense.
BTW does everyone agree with this? No-one bought anything in the 47 minutes before the group being served at 9.39. Therefore, when the group arrived at Kellys, there were no other customers there.

[pathfinder73]

Being pedantic - both of the men said they had drink in the plural rather than "a drink" or "one drink". So there must have been another round purchased at 9.46pm or after.

Not necessarily when they thought they were there for an hour. You would have more than one drink if they were there that long.

[Wonderfulspam]

Being pedantic - both of the men said they had drink in the plural rather than "a drink" or "one drink". So there must have been another round purchased at 9.46pm or after.

Martin & Peter downed a pint each in roughly 7 minutes....

[misty]

Not necessarily when they thought they were there for an hour. You would have more than one drink if they were there that long.

Exactly. The men thought they had been there a lot longer than the 20 minutes Aoife's statement suggests.  Remember, Aoife couldn't even remember which day she returned home so I would question the reliability of her memory.
Such a pity that CCTV got wiped.......the PJ could have seen the man who wasn't there.....case solved.