The Smith sighting revisited.

[Benice]

Possibly unreleased statements will reveal more about clothes but maybe not. I will tell you the two adults when Smithman is uncovered.

I applaud you Pathfinder for at least coming up with an alternative theory to abduction - unlike other sceptics.

However, IMO your theory falls at so many fences it simply doesn't cut the mustard.   IMO you have used our knowledge of times etc which the McCanns could not possibly have known at the time.    IOW you have misused 'hindsight' to create a theory.

[misty]

Possibly unreleased statements will reveal more about clothes but maybe not. I will tell you the two adults when Smithman is uncovered.

I find it really odd that you overlook the clothes displayed as evidence in the PJ files which were so very similar to those worn by Smithman (& Tannerman).

[pathfinder73]

I find it really odd that you overlook the clothes displayed as evidence in the PJ files which were so very similar to those worn by Smithman (& Tannerman).

I have to go with the eye witnesses, the Smith family for clothes description of my prime suspect. Tannerman was walking in the opposite direction and there's other details like different carrying style (younger child), longer hair, blanket etc. that don't match. The McCanns didn't report a blanket missing.

[pathfinder73]

I applaud you Pathfinder for at least coming up with an alternative theory to abduction - unlike other sceptics.

However, IMO your theory falls at so many fences it simply doesn't cut the mustard.   IMO you have used our knowledge of times etc which the McCanns could not possibly have known at the time.    IOW you have misused 'hindsight' to create a theory.

Thank you Benice. We will all have different theories. I try to connect everything with the evidence/timeline and picture how it was done i.e. walk in Smithman's shoes.

[Benice]

I have to go with the eye witnesses, the Smith family for clothes description of my prime suspect. Tannerman was walking in the opposite direction and there's other details like different carrying style (younger child), longer hair, blanket etc. that don't match. The McCanns didn't report a blanket missing.

Neither party claimed to have seen a blanket.   If they had I think they would have mentioned it.   The pink 'blob' on the Tannerman sighting is to denote that  JT could not describe that part of the child's body because she didn't see it and so the artist could not draw anything in that particuilar spot.

[pegasus]

Neither party claimed to have seen a blanket.   If they had I think they would have mentioned it.   The pink 'blob' on the Tannerman sighting is to denote that  JT could not describe that part of the child's body because she didn't see it and so the artist could not draw anything in that particuilar spot.

The real man and child who JT saw did, we now know, have a light pink blanket on the child's upper body.
Mr R did not stick that pink blanket in his SY photo for no reason - it is in the SY photo because it was on the child's upper body. JT understandably did not realise it was a blanket and assumed it was the pyjama top.

[pegasus]

Thank you Benice. We will all have different theories. I try to connect everything with the evidence/timeline and picture how it was done i.e. walk in Smithman's shoes.

And what kind of shoes are they?
And do you agree smithman was wearing a black jacket or coat?

[slartibartfast]

I applaud you Pathfinder for at least coming up with an alternative theory to abduction - unlike other sceptics.

However, IMO your theory falls at so many fences it simply doesn't cut the mustard.   IMO you have used our knowledge of times etc which the McCanns could not possibly have known at the time.    IOW you have misused 'hindsight' to create a theory.

To be fair the abduction theory also uses hindsight to determine the window of opportunity for abduction. It was a bit like Piccadilly Circus in 5a according to the timeline.

[sadie]

I have to go with the eye witnesses, the Smith family for clothes description of my prime suspect. Tannerman was walking in the opposite direction and there's other details like different carrying style (younger child), longer hair, blanket etc. that don't match. The McCanns didn't report a blanket missing.

Where do you get anything about a blanket from ?   

Do you mean the longer hair of Tannerman relative to Smithman ?
Has it ever crossed your mind that there could have been a swop over between the initial carrier and the second carrier?

As for carrying style.  Anyone starting off carrying a child Tannerman style would soon befcome arm weary and change to Smithman style.  Even if Tannerman were to be the Crecheman with a younger child, his arms would be dropping off carrying that way by the time Jane saw him.

The very fact that he was carrying that way tells me two things:

1)  He was an inexperienced carrier of young children ... so unlikely to be a father.
2)  He hadn't walked far.  Imo, the crech was way too far for him to have carried like that.


Juat a couple of suggestions.
In the alleyways, on the wasteland, or within the Staff quarters from whence came a scream according to The 3A,s

[faithlilly]

Where do you get anything about a blanket from ?   

Do you mean the longer hair of Tannerman relative to Smithman ?
Has it ever crossed your mind that there could have been a swop over between the initial carrier and the second carrier?

As for carrying style.  Anyone starting off carrying a child Tannerman style would soon befcome arm weary and change to Smithman style.  Even if Tannerman were to be the Crecheman with a younger child, his arms would be dropping off carrying that way by the time Jane saw him.

The very fact that he was carrying that way tells me two things:

1)  He was an inexperienced carrier of young children ... so unlikely to be a father.
2)  He hadn't walked far.  Imo, the crech was way too far for him to have carried like that.


Juat a couple of suggestions.
In the alleyways, on the wasteland, or within the Staff quarters from whence came a scream according to The 3A,s

I believe the scream you mention happened on the 4th and not the 3rd.

[sadie]

I believe the scream you mention happened on the 4th and not the 3rd.

When I saw it on The 3A's it sounded as tho it happened on the 3rd ... and I read it as such.

[pathfinder73]

Where do you get anything about a blanket from ?   

Do you mean the longer hair of Tannerman relative to Smithman ?
Has it ever crossed your mind that there could have been a swop over between the initial carrier and the second carrier?

As for carrying style.  Anyone starting off carrying a child Tannerman style would soon befcome arm weary and change to Smithman style.  Even if Tannerman were to be the Crecheman with a younger child, his arms would be dropping off carrying that way by the time Jane saw him.

The very fact that he was carrying that way tells me two things:

1)  He was an inexperienced carrier of young children ... so unlikely to be a father.
2)  He hadn't walked far.  Imo, the crech was way too far for him to have carried like that.


Juat a couple of suggestions.
In the alleyways, on the wasteland, or within the Staff quarters from whence came a scream according to The 3A,s

The blanket has been revealed by SY. Longer/Thicker hair Tannerman/Bundleman is not Smithman. To remove a child you do it simply and quickly. You definitely don't start moving doors and opening windows not being used. This isn't a normal disappearance case due to the fact that Smithman was open carrying. This indicates desperate measures where something terrible happened inside 5A that was unforeseen. In this case it either represents an inside cover up job or an intruder entering and something going horribly wrong. It is not a professional abduction job. The child couldn't be found so Smithman took a risk by moving her a good distance away. Why? Find Madeleine and we will know the answer. Find Smithman and he won't talk.

[sadie]

The blanket has been revealed by SY. Longer/Thicker hair Tannerman/Bundleman is not Smithman. To remove a child you do it simply and quickly. You definitely don't start moving doors and opening windows not being used. This isn't a normal disappearance case due to the fact that Smithman was open carrying. This indicates desperate measures where something terrible happened inside 5A that was unforeseen. In this case it either represents an inside cover up job or an intruder entering and something going horribly wrong. It is not a professional abduction job. The child couldn't be found so Smithman took a risk by moving her a good distance away. Why? Find Madeleine and we will know the answer. Find Smithman and he won't talk.

When did SY say anything about  a blanket?  I think it is just a myth that you have picked up on tbh.  i am happy to be proved wrong tho PF.

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It is my belief and the belief of a good few others that it was a slick operation carefully planned then executed meticulously

It is good to see you trying Pathfinder, but imo you are building castles on sand .... and we all know what happens to them.

[pathfinder73]

When did SY say anything about  a blanket?  I think it is just a myth that you have picked up on tbh.  i am happy to be proved wrong tho PF.

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It is my belief and the belief of a good few others that it was a slick operation carefully planned then executed meticulously

It is good to see you trying Pathfinder, but imo you are building castles on sand .... and we all know what happens to them.

It's no myth. The blanket is here. Jane couldn't see it properly from her position. She could see the pyjama bottoms (legs dangling) e.g. floral pattern.

"pyjamas of a light colour (possibly white or light pink). She is not certain, but has the impression a design on the pyjamas, possibly a floral pattern, but she is not certain." (JT 4 May) The blanket is white/light pink.

[sadie]

It's no myth. The blanket is here. Jane couldn't see it properly from her position. She could see the pyjama bottoms (legs dangling) e.g. floral pattern.

"pyjamas of a light colour (possibly white or light pink). She is not certain, but has the impression a design on the pyjamas, possibly a floral pattern, but she is not certain." (JT 4 May) The blanket is white/light pink.

Yep, I can see the blanket, white-light pink. 

Trouble is that that is Crechmans daughters blanket, not Madeleines, same as those jamies are crechmans daughters jamies..


Truly dont think that Madeleines blanket was taken.  That is a myth PFinder