Britain is ruined!

[Alfred R Jones]

Oh so I am 'using' the frightening disappearance of Alice Gross purely to bash immigration and I have no respect for her at all! And don't flatter yourself that you caused AN hysterical rant from me; we have already established I hadn't bothered to read you original post properly and your latest effort would only be as highly insulting as you wish if I gave a monkeys for your opinion! Unfortunately for you, I don't!

And perhaps it's you who should 'learn to read'! I told you three times not to bother with your only accepted 'vast majority' argument and yet as predicted that is all you had to say. Not a single word about the literally 1000's of underage white girls being groomed and raped by muslim men .... obviously not a problem you care about as you are more interested in defending the abusers' place in British society! You obviously have absolutely no respect for these 1000's of British child victims!

It's the politically correct pygmies, too scared to call a spade a spade, who have destroyed Britain!

Another hysterical strawman rant.  You cannot tell me what I can and cannot post.  You seem to enjoy making lots of unevidenced assumptions about my views but aren't remotely interested in what my views actually are.  You simply decided that because I found the idea of using Alice Gross's disappearance as a vehicle for immigrant-bashing distasteful and unfair that I must be a worthy focus for your anger.  So, fill your boots, I'm disengaging from this discussion.

[Tim Invictus]

Another hysterical strawman rant.  You cannot tell me what I can and cannot post.  You seem to enjoy making lots of unevidenced assumptions about my views but aren't remotely interested in what my views actually are.  You simply decided that because I found the idea of using Alice Gross's disappearance as a vehicle for immigrant-bashing distasteful and unfair that I must be a worthy focus for your anger.  So, fill your boots, I'm disengaging from this discussion.

I don't know what your views are; I have asked you and Eleanor to enlighten us many times but you both seem to have no opinion whatsoever on racially targetted child grooming, child rape or any other posted subject. It is obviously more important for you to jump to the defence of the 'vast majority' of law abiding immigrants! That being your only mute, pointless point that I have agreed with from the first post!

Runaway from the debate then! I am indeed disgusted with Britain's open door policy of the last 40 odd years that has led directly to 1000's of child victims and almost certainly the murder of poor Alice Gross and many others! But the politically correct whining of you and Eleanor doesn't amount to a row of beans; you're just two more pygmies afraid to even recognise the truth!

See ya!

[Holly Goodhead]

Alfred/Tim

Do either of you have any hard data?  Sorry I don't but I will try to find some.

As far as I can see the main advantage to the UK in terms of immigration would be an increase in GDP?  Meaning all citizens benefit from a more prosperous country.  I have heard some argue that immigtration encourages a wider choice of cuisine but this seems a bit superficial? 

Disadvantages might be strain on infrastructure without further investment.  Immigrants being unable or unwilling to blend into the host country without causing any problems.  Whether multiculturalism works and according to David Cameron and Angela Merkel it doesn't:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451

[puglove]

When my daughter had a baby last year, the midwife was looking after 3 other women, my daughter was left for HOURS on blood-soaked sheets, and I had to hold the baby because they couldn't find a cot for her. I have another grandchild on the way, and today I read "Crisis as migrant mums overload maternity wards."

I have to be honest - this really worries me.

[Holly Goodhead]

When my daughter had a baby last year, the midwife was looking after 3 other women, my daughter was left for HOURS on blood-soaked sheets, and I had to hold the baby because they couldn't find a cot for her. I have another grandchild on the way, and today I read "Crisis as migrant mums overload maternity wards."

I have to be honest - this really worries me.

Hello puglove

I was going to pm you as you haven't been around.  Nice to see you.

Yes this is what I mean it appears that the Government are telling us that immigration is good for the economy and increases GDP but the flip-side is a strain on infrastructure eg hospitals, schools etc, etc.  Is the Government increasing infrastructure spend to off-set the increase in population from immigration?

Also I believe the data shows that immigrants to the UK have larger families than the indigenous people?

I think the Tories and Lab might have a rude awakening in a little over 7 months time 

[Andrea]

We have 7 immigrant families on my street.
But my friends daughter cant get a house, she works and pays her taxes, but the local council put the immigrants first. None of them work and to top it off the council even cut their grass otherwise they would just leave it.

Immigration is putting a strain on our services. How can you let thousands of people into a small country and expect it not to have an effect? If anyone thinks otherwise, they need to take their heads out of the sand.

[Tim Invictus]

Immigration has cost the country untold £ billions .... one study gave the figure at £140 billion 1995 to 2014! A House Of Lords study stated that mass immigration is a huge net deficit to the country. Never mind the huge pressures and cost to the NHS, police, security services, housing, prison service, etc. etc.

Official figures state there are 600,000 European migrants claiming benefits in the UK. Many claim too for their dependents in their native country. And that is the tip of the iceberg!

No politician will ever tell the truth of this because to even discuss it labels that person a racist! Look at this thread; not one word about child grooming gangs from Eleanor or Alfred but a bucket load of 'righteous indignation' against me which are just veilled accusations of racism! Please note they do not challenge anything in detail; probably because they know I am speaking the truth!

[Tim Invictus]

Poor Alice Gross ... R.I.P.

The governments that allowed convicted killers to settle in our country with impunity have this young innocent's death on their hands! It's a national disgrace! Just how many more degenerates are in the UK happily living off our nation?

[Tim Invictus]

Untold more victims of Muslim peadophile grooming gangs revealed today in Manchester and Middlesborough .... add those towns to the huge list of towns all over Britian! In 10 months in Manchester there has been over 2000 "pieces of intelligence" on this disgusting plague in our midst!

Needless to say the victims are almost invariably whiite British girls; often well under legal age. These girls are often very vulnerable and living in care homes or come from broken homes. The gangs are invariably groups of muslim men; almost all from Pakistani origin!

This is a national disgrace on an unbelievable scale. Eleanor and Alf just call me racist for even mentioning it but I don't give a fig what they think of my comments. I would personally round up all these gangs and deport them penniless all on the spot. All their possessions should be auctioned off and the proceeds used for care for these poor kids.

That's the civilised response. I would really like to see these s..mbags lynched! End of!

[Tim Invictus]

Hey Eleanor and Alf. Four jihadists arrested in London today ... foiling in the police's words "a significant terror plot"!

Are you reconsidering your criticism and veiled accusations of racism? With these almost daily reports of terror plots and the 1000's of victims of Islamic child grooming being revealed and the finding of poor Alice Gross, murdered by an immigrant convicted murderer, do you now accept that uncontrolled immigration is ruining Britian's society.

I am quite willing to accept your apologies!

[a.baker]

Was on Fox News. The 'plot' allegedly involved going out on to the streets of London and beheading people. The investigation is still ongoing and there is likely many more of them. Civil war may still break out yet!

[Holly Goodhead]

Was on Fox News. The 'plot' allegedly involved going out on to the streets of London and beheading people. The investigation is still ongoing and there is likely many more of them. Civil war may still break out yet!

Quite possible! 

It has all gone quiet on the 15 yo Muslim girl from Bristol who has supposedly been radicalised and is en route to Syria to become a jihadi bride.  Hitherto she had been a straight A's student who enjoyed playing table tennis.  If true it perhaps gives an indication of the level of seriousness.

The authorities have stated when Ebola is likely to arrive in the UK based on current trends and mathematical modelling.  I would be amazed if the authorities are unable to provide the following:   

% of Muslims living in UK - unlikely to become radicalised

% of Muslims living in UK - potential to become radicalised

% of Muslims living in UK - already radicalised

The Archbishop of Canterbury states it is "extraordinarily small" but he fails to provide any evidence to support his assertions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10964452/Welby-lets-not-get-hysterical-about-Islamic-radicalisation.html

[Tim Invictus]

God help Britain. The country's future has literally been given away to Islam and without unthinkable radicalisation by Christian Britain it is a very few generations before the UK becomes a muslim nation.

The mathematics is very simple. Figures vary but 'native' British have on average under 2 children; muslim couples average between 5 and 6. With this status quo it is inevitable that by the end of the century (perhaps much sooner ) the majority of the population will be muslim.

I believe something has to give though because Britain just isn't big enough to sustain such a massive population explosion. The UK is already around 70 million and most of the infrastructure and services are under immense strain; how on earth will the country sustain the continued and ever increasing population explosion?

President Putin is spot on; we have committed a long, slow cultural suicide!

[sika]

God help Britain. The country's future has literally been given away to Islam and without unthinkable radicalisation by Christian Britain it is a very few generations before the UK becomes a muslim nation.

The mathematics is very simple. Figures vary but 'native' British have on average under 2 children; muslim couples average between 5 and 6. With this status quo it is inevitable that by the end of the century (perhaps much sooner ) the majority of the population will be muslim.

I believe something has to give though because Britain just isn't big enough to sustain such a massive population explosion. The UK is already around 70 million and most of the infrastructure and services are under immense strain; how on earth will the country sustain the continued and ever increasing population explosion?

President Putin is spot on; we have committed a long, slow cultural suicide!

I'm sure I've read this before!!

The very things that have made this nation so great, have also contributed to it's undoing.  We have a great health service, a generous benefits system and a 'wouldn't say boo to a goose' attitude.  What poor and desperate person wouldn't want to come and live here?

 I can't believe that there's a softer touch in the world today.

[Tim Invictus]

I'm sure I've read this before!!

The very things that have made this nation so great, have also contributed to it's undoing.  We have a great health service, a generous benefits system and a 'wouldn't say boo to a goose' attitude.  What poor and desperate person wouldn't want to come and live here?

 I can't believe that there's a softer touch in the world today.

So true Sika; that's why there are camps at Calais full of all the economic migrants literally desperate to get into Britian!

Imagine if literally 100's of gangs of white Englishmen were deliberately targeting 1000's of underage Pakistani girls to groom and rape. There would be uproar. The looney left would be marching on Parliament and the UAF would be up in arms. There is literally nothing said today by all these liberal do-gooders because the victims are white!

Our ancestors who build the industrialised world are turning in their graves. I am ashamed of my country!