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Offline John

Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« on: September 19, 2014, 02:50:31 AM »
The people of Scotland have had their say with a decisive "No Thanks" to Independence.



The Orkney Islands have rejected Independence by a majority of 2 to 1 with the Shetland Islands also rejecting Independence by a margin of almost 2 to 1.  Both areas central to and crucial to Alex Salmond's fiscal strategy.  Both islands have made it very clear that if mainland Scotland were ever to vote for Independence then they would seek to separate from Scotland.

Western Isles have also rejected Independence by a 7% majority.

« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 05:08:49 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2014, 03:54:40 AM »

How sad.

Offline Mr Moderator

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2014, 10:32:41 AM »
Sad?  Goodness no!

The silent majority have spoken SCOTLAND SAYS NO

Offline Eleanor

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2014, 11:16:51 AM »
Sad?  Goodness no!

The silent majority have spoken SCOTLAND SAYS NO

Can't be bothered to argue at the moment.  But not all is lost.

Offline sadie

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2014, 11:55:51 AM »
I am glad that we remain united. 
I feared a repeat of the wars that dogged History.   


The vast majority of us are friends with the other Countries of the UK.   Let us work together as we have for Centuries.  It has generally worked well.   Let us carry on and improve this relationship.


Unfortunately Salmons intervention will have adversely affected that relationship with some  diehards; he has whipped up emotions.   

But I am glad that Scotland has had the opportunity to decide which way it wants to go.  It has spoken and pretty solidly voted for a United Kingdom.  That is positive and can only be good imo.



There is strength in solidarity.  Forward we go, together.

Offline Anna

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2014, 12:01:50 PM »
Can't be bothered to argue at the moment.  But not all is lost.

I thought you lived in france, so why are you sad?

I didnt expect them to win with so many people living there or born there with english ancestry, especially the Highlands, western isles and south west, where property is fairly cheap and a perfect retirement location too.
It was mainly the younger Scottish blooded, inhabitants who wanted independance, not many, I believe of the older scottish generation, who had lived through the political changes and wars therefore knew more about the politics involved.
I was sad at seeing a poll on here that said it didnt want scots in the UK. A terrible Poll to be held, I thought.
Different story when the Scots were fighting and dying for their english government generated wars, of course.
Maybe England should vote for independance.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2014, 12:08:26 PM »
I am glad that we remain united. 
I feared a repeat of the wars that dogged History.   


The vast majority of us are friends with the other Countries of the UK.   Let us work together as we have for Centuries.  It has generally worked well.   Let us carry on and improve this relationship.


Unfortunately Salmons intervention will have adversely affected that relationship with some  diehards; he has whipped up emotions.   

But I am glad that Scotland has had the opportunity to decide which way it wants to go.  It has spoken and pretty solidly voted for a United Kingdom.  That is positive and can only be good imo.



There is strength in solidarity.  Forward we go, together.

I believe that this referendum and the voice of the Engish, is going to cause more hostility, than we have seen in a long time. The younger scots will not take the insults lying down.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Eleanor

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2014, 12:26:45 PM »
I thought you lived in france, so why are you sad?

I didnt expect them to win with so many people living there or born there with english ancestry, especially the Highlands, western isles and south west, where property is fairly cheap and a perfect retirement location too.
It was mainly the younger Scottish blooded, inhabitants who wanted independance, not many, I believe of the older scottish generation, who had lived through the political changes and wars therefore knew more about the politics involved.
I was sad at seeing a poll on here that said it didnt want scots in the UK. A terrible Poll to be held, I thought.
Different story when the Scots were fighting and dying for their english government generated wars, of course.
Maybe England should vote for independance.

I do live in France, because I couldn't stand England anymore, or Britain.  I spent a large amount of my life living and working there.  And you don't have to be a Scot to love Scotland and the people.

And perhaps I have read a bit more Scottish history than most.

Watch for "Outlander" on TV.  That will give you some idea of how happy The Union was and still isn't.

Offline Anna

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2014, 12:45:16 PM »
I do live in France, because I couldn't stand England anymore, or Britain.  I spent a large amount of my life living and working there.  And you don't have to be a Scot to love Scotland and the people.

And perhaps I have read a bit more Scottish history than most.

Watch for "Outlander" on TV.  That will give you some idea of how happy The Union was and still isn't.

Thanks Eleanor. I shall watch out for that.
 The Canny Scots are loved by many and I have never heard a bad word against them, until I read some on here. I have wanted to get out of England, for a long time, but it is easier said than done, when children were involved.
               We were prepared to move out 6 years ago. Then I fell seriously ill and was not expected to live. There is no way I can go anywhere now, due to the condition in which the illness left me and my age of course, but I really yearn to get away.
You were really lucky to get out and hope you are happy there. My daughter has a holiday place near Barfluer. Dont know if I spelt that right.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Eleanor

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2014, 01:01:40 PM »

Outlander has been on American TV for seven weeks now.  All English and Scottish actors, and filmed in Scotland.  Brilliant.  I watch it on Project Free on Line.  Google it.

I have a theory that UK has withheld it, for fear that it would have changed too many minds.

Yes, I am happy here, but would rather be living in The Highlands.  The cost of houses was just a bit too much for me.  And besides, The Bretons are Celts.

It's Barfleur.  Lots of history there.  And very beautiful.

Offline Anna

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2014, 01:14:18 PM »
Outlander has been on American TV for seven weeks now.  All English and Scottish actors, and filmed in Scotland.  Brilliant.  I watch it on Project Free on Line.  Google it.

I have a theory that UK has withheld it, for fear that it would have changed too many minds.

Yes, I am happy here, but would rather be living in The Highlands.  The cost of houses was just a bit too much for me.  And besides, The Bretons are Celts.

It's Barfleur.  Lots of history there.  And very beautiful.

Yes according to the write ups, it was censured, due to the referendum.....Dirty or what?
I will be watching later, hopefully. Thanks for the direction.
Barfleur(got it right this time) had a lot to do with the activities of the resistance during the war, I expect it would have a lot of history.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline John

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2014, 01:21:29 PM »
The silent majority in Scotland have at last spoken.

A mere 1.6 million out of an electorate of nearly 4.3 million could be bothered to vote 'yes' so that is the reality of it.  Alex Salmond's pipe dream is no more.




Young Scots celebrate a unique victory for common sense following a 55% to 45% victory over Separatists.




Alex Salmond being driven away to an uncertain future this morning as SNP dreams of an Independent Scotland lie in tatters.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 01:29:25 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Anna

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2014, 01:38:08 PM »
Scottish referendum: Cameron pledges devolution revolution after no votePM hails Scotland's 55%-45% vote to remain inside UK as a defiant Alex Salmond pays tribute to 'triumph of democracy'

Link to video: David Cameron: Scottish independence debate settled for a generation
David Cameron has declared a "clear result" in the Scottish independence referendum after Scotland voted by a 10.6-point margin against ending the 307-year-old union with England and Wales.
The prime minister promised a devolution revolution across Great Britain, including votes on English issues by English MPs at Westminster, as he hailed Scotland's decision to remain inside the UK.
"There can be no disputes, no reruns – we have heard the settled will of the Scottish people," Cameron said in a statement outside No 10 Downing Street shortly after 7am on Friday.
Earlier, Scotland's first minister, Alex Salmond, struck a defiant note at a downbeat Scottish National party rally in Edinburgh, saying he accepted Scotland had not "at this stage" decided to vote for independence.
He paid tribute to what he called a "triumph for democratic politics" and said he would work with Westminster in the best interests of Scotland and the rest of the UK – warning the leaders of the three main parties to make good on their promises of enhanced devolution for Scotland.
"We have touched sections of the community who have never before been touched by politics," he said.
The yes campaign scored four big successes, winning 53% of the vote in Scotland's largest city, Glasgow, 54% in West Dunbartonshire, 57% in Dundee and 51% in North Lanarkshire.
However, the no camp was victorious in 28 authorities. It won overwhelmingly in areas where it was expected to do well, including Edinburgh, Aberdeenshire and Borders, but also in areas that could have gone to the yes campaign, including Falkirk, Inverclyde, Eilean Siar and Clackmannanshire.
In the final count, the no camp clocked up 2,001,926 votes (55.3%) to 1,617,989 for yes (44.7%).
In his speech, Cameron made clear that the constitutional reforms, including in Scotland, would not be delivered until after the general election, and that Scottish measures would proceed in tandem with changes in England. "We have heard the voice of Scotland and now the millions of voices of England must be heard," he said.
Cameron threw down a challenge to the Labour opposition to say whether it would agree to the introduction of English votes for English MPs, and announced that William Hague, leader of the House of Commons, would advance the issue in a special cabinet committee.
The prime minister, vindicated in his decision to stage a yes/no referendum, also revealed he had asked Lord Smith of Kelvin to implement the Scottish devolution reforms set out by the party leaders in the final weeks of the referendum campaign.
He announced that the government would shortly say more about the devolution of further powers to the cities and regions of the UK.
Cameron said: "The people of Scotland have spoken and it is a clear result. They have kept our country of four nations together and, like millions of other people, I am delighted.
"As I said during the campaign, it would have broken my heart to see our United Kingdom come to an end. And I know that sentiment was shared by people not just across our country but around the world because of what we have achieved together in the past and what we can do together in the future.
"So now it is time for our United Kingdom to come together and to move forward. A vital part of that will be a balanced settlement, fair to people in Scotland and importantly to everyone in England, Wales and Northern Ireland as well."
Ed Miliband, the Labour leader, said the referendum was a vote from the Scottish people for change. "We know our country needs to change in the way it is governed and we know our country needs to change in who it is governed for. We will deliver on stronger powers for a stronger Scottish parliament, a strong Scotland."
But he said that would go beyond Scotland. "We will also meet the desire for change across England, across Wales, across the whole of the United Kingdom."
Nick Clegg, the deputy prime minister, said the referendum "marks not only a new chapter for Scotland within the UK but also wider constitutional reform across the union".
Echoing the SNP's argument, he said a vote against independence was "clearly not a vote against change".
"We must now deliver on time and in full the radical package of newly devolved powers to Scotland," he added.
Yet that result raises the risk of further turmoil, with MPs from Cameron's Conservative party threatening to revolt against the prime minister's late and potentially vital vow to quickly increase the Scottish parliament's powers while protecting its spending.
The Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, said Cameron's offer of more devolution for England did not go far enough. "The English are 86% by population of this union. They've been left out of all of this for the last 18 years. We still have a situation where Scottish MPs can vote in the House of Commons on English-only issues. I think what most English people want is a fair settlement," he said.
Cameron and the Queen will both move to calm tensions when they deliver statements on Friday. The prime minister will seek early in the day, in the words of one cabinet minister, to "cement in" the no vote by outlining how he will deliver the deepening of Scotland's devolution settlement, including handing greater powers over tax and welfare, to Holyrood, Scotland's parliament.
The Queen, who has monitored the referendum with interest, will make a written statement on Friday afternoon. It is understood that her remarks will focus on reconciliation.
The prime minister wants to move fast to show that the three main UK party leaders will live up to their commitments made during the referendum campaign to deliver what the former prime minister Gordon Brown called home rule within the UK.
Ministers believe it is important to move quickly to avoid a repeat of the 1980 referendum in Québec. The triumphalist behaviour of Ontario fuelled the separatist cause that nearly succeeded in a second referendum in 1995.
For the no campaign there was relief: a spate of authoritative polls in the final days of the campaign had said the vote was on a knife edge, bringing Yes Scotland within touching distance of victory after a dramatic surge in support.
Sterling jumped, reaching a new two-year high against the euro in Asian trading hours, as the referendum was called in favour of the no vote. The FTSE 100 opened 44 points higher.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/scottish-referendum-david-cameron-devolution-revolution
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 04:59:23 PM by John »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: Scottish Independence - Scots say "NO"
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2014, 06:57:22 PM »
It doesn't really matter anyway ... in 50 years or so we will be the United Caliphate part of Europistan!