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Offline Brietta

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #180 on: October 13, 2014, 04:10:21 PM »
I have seen that.
I was rather hoping for something like an indictment for swindling a US Government department.
His extradition to the States wasn't for that was it? See my link above.

Are you ignoring ferryman's post?
I think it is succinct and answers your request for a cite as does the YouTube link.   &%+((£

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5267.msg192349#msg192349
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #181 on: October 13, 2014, 04:51:55 PM »
Are you ignoring ferryman's post?
I think it is succinct and answers your request for a cite as does the YouTube link.   &%+((£

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5267.msg192349#msg192349

Not really; it seems merely to be a retread of guff in the Channel 5 documentary.
It does not address the question that I asked; if the collective comprehension is so poor there is no point in my asking it again.
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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #182 on: October 13, 2014, 05:29:35 PM »
That he was a conman is not in doubt.
A poster implied that Halligen swindled the US Government; there would seem to be no corroboration of this.

Deary me Alice - perchance you need a new prescription for your pince nez.  Who mentioned "swindled"?  Apart from your good self that is.

"Yes, they were taken in by a fantasist and fraudster.  Like many others.  Including US government departments."

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Offline John

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #183 on: October 21, 2014, 12:51:39 AM »
The so-called 'report' was worth less than the paper it was written on anyway.

Idle speculation about weight and emphasis to JT's report versus the Smith's ...

All froth and bubble ...

Apparently it is such dynamite it still hasn't been released to the public.   What is surprising however is that Gonçalo's  lawyers haven't got hold of it, a report stating that Madeleine was in all probability not abducted but met with an accident would surely do wonders for his cause.
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #184 on: October 21, 2014, 08:14:51 AM »
Apparently it is such dynamite it still hasn't been released to the public.   What is surprising however is that Gonçalo's  lawyers haven't got hold of it, a report stating that Madeleine was in all probability not abducted but met with an accident would surely do wonders for his cause.

Why do you think the McCanns won their libel action?

Take a look at this paragraph from the Calvert and Blake original:

An earlier sighting by one of the McCanns’ friends was dismissed as less credible after “serious inconsistencies” were found in her evidence. The report also raised questions about “anomalies” in the statements given by the McCanns and their friends.

There were no "serious inconsistencies".

On the contrary, Jane Tanner was confirmed as a credible and honest witness.

Exton et al screwed up royally.

So did the Times so-called "Insight" team.

That's why the McCanns won their libel action ...

Offline faithlilly

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #185 on: October 21, 2014, 08:28:43 AM »
Why do you think the McCanns won their libel action?

Take a look at this paragraph from the Calvert and Blake original:

An earlier sighting by one of the McCanns’ friends was dismissed as less credible after “serious inconsistencies” were found in her evidence. The report also raised questions about “anomalies” in the statements given by the McCanns and their friends.

There were no "serious inconsistencies".

On the contrary, Jane Tanner was confirmed as a credible and honest witness.

Exton et al screwed up royally.

So did the Times so-called "Insight" team.

That's why the McCanns won their libel action ...

So you don't think claiming you walked within inches of two people yet they never saw you isn't a 'serious inconsistency ' ?
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ferryman

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Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #186 on: October 21, 2014, 08:31:31 AM »
So you don't think claiming you walked within inches of two people yet they never saw you isn't a 'serious inconsistency ' ?
.

No"think" about it.

The man Jane saw has been identified.

Offline Benice

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #187 on: October 21, 2014, 08:56:37 AM »
So you don't think claiming you walked within inches of two people yet they never saw you isn't a 'serious inconsistency ' ?

Inches away?

Actually it is quite possible - if the two people were lookiing in another direction for the few seconds it would take to pass them by.

It happened the other day to my grandson.  I was standing at the garden gate saying goodbye to him,  He was sitting in his car (parked with the driver's side at the kerb) with the door open.   As he went to close the door  he dropped his car keys on the ground  - and while he was looking down trying to retrieve them - a jogger in some very 'eye-catching' shorts passed by on the pavement inbetween his car and me.

''Did you see his shorts''  I said - laughing.

''Whose shorts?''   Was his reply.

He was totally unaware that ANYONE had passed by - even though they were only about 3 feet away from him while he was looking down for his keys.

So there you go.


(Oops we seem to be straying off topic - so I'll say no more)
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #188 on: October 21, 2014, 11:05:00 AM »
The Met however believe the man JT saw has been accounted for and was not "the abductor".
I love the way the bit about Jane not being seen by Jeremy and Gerald gets a retread every so often with various posters having "there I wuz" stories about not being able to see their granny washing their face when they were kids ......if you se what I mean; if you don't then never mind  ?{)(**
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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #189 on: October 21, 2014, 11:43:15 AM »
The Met however believe the man JT saw has been accounted for and was not "the abductor".
I love the way the bit about Jane not being seen by Jeremy and Gerald gets a retread every so often with various posters having "there I wuz" stories about not being able to see their granny washing their face when they were kids ......if you se what I mean; if you don't then never mind  ?{)(**

Very perceptive, Alice. 

Offline Carana

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #190 on: October 21, 2014, 01:02:31 PM »
Apparently it is such dynamite it still hasn't been released to the public.   What is surprising however is that Gonçalo's  lawyers haven't got hold of it, a report stating that Madeleine was in all probability not abducted but met with an accident would surely do wonders for his cause.

I'm not sure whether to take that at face value or not... :)

Having analysed hundreds of media pieces over time (particularly the tabloids) and, where possible, compared them to what would appear to be facts and realistic context, I've noticed that there is often a grain of truth buried somewhere in a mishmash of misinformation (deliberate or otherwise), misunderstandings, sometimes personal grievances, translation issues and whatever else, the whole presented via a sensationalistic filter in order to make a quick buck.

The difficulty is finding that grain of truth and sorting it from the chaff when the full story isn't available to cross-check.

I used to find The Sunday Times reliable many years ago, but for some time (and this predates the McCann saga) I've come across numerous articles that simply don't appear to be of the same quality.

The nugget of truth in this instance is that the e-fits weren't released until the Crimewatch appeal, which anyone who has followed this case already knew.

We, the public, do not know all of the facts, nor the context, of why those e-fits weren't released earlier, either by the McCanns or by the police.

We can all make what we feel to be reasoned guesses, but the fact is that we simply don't have all of the facts, nor any information as to the context of the situation.



ferryman

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Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #191 on: October 21, 2014, 01:22:06 PM »
I'm not sure whether to take that at face value or not... :)

Having analysed hundreds of media pieces over time (particularly the tabloids) and, where possible, compared them to what would appear to be facts and realistic context, I've noticed that there is often a grain of truth buried somewhere in a mishmash of misinformation (deliberate or otherwise), misunderstandings, sometimes personal grievances, translation issues and whatever else, the whole presented via a sensationalistic filter in order to make a quick buck.

The difficulty is finding that grain of truth and sorting it from the chaff when the full story isn't available to cross-check.

I used to find The Sunday Times reliable many years ago, but for some time (and this predates the McCann saga) I've come across numerous articles that simply don't appear to be of the same quality.

The nugget of truth in this instance is that the e-fits weren't released until the Crimewatch appeal, which anyone who has followed this case already knew.

We, the public, do not know all of the facts, nor the context, of why those e-fits weren't released earlier, either by the McCanns or by the police.

We can all make what we feel to be reasoned guesses, but the fact is that we simply don't have all of the facts, nor any information as to the context of the situation.

These days, I tend to regard the Guardian as the best of the British press.

I haven't always thought so, but I've gradually moved to that view.

Offline Brietta

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #192 on: October 21, 2014, 02:39:30 PM »
I'm not sure whether to take that at face value or not... :)

Having analysed hundreds of media pieces over time (particularly the tabloids) and, where possible, compared them to what would appear to be facts and realistic context, I've noticed that there is often a grain of truth buried somewhere in a mishmash of misinformation (deliberate or otherwise), misunderstandings, sometimes personal grievances, translation issues and whatever else, the whole presented via a sensationalistic filter in order to make a quick buck.

The difficulty is finding that grain of truth and sorting it from the chaff when the full story isn't available to cross-check.

I used to find The Sunday Times reliable many years ago, but for some time (and this predates the McCann saga) I've come across numerous articles that simply don't appear to be of the same quality.

The nugget of truth in this instance is that the e-fits weren't released until the Crimewatch appeal, which anyone who has followed this case already knew.

We, the public, do not know all of the facts, nor the context, of why those e-fits weren't released earlier, either by the McCanns or by the police.

We can all make what we feel to be reasoned guesses, but the fact is that we simply don't have all of the facts, nor any information as to the context of the situation.

The original “Insight” team of investigative journalists were second to none.

I think speculation without information from the three agencies who witheld the efits is pointless.  Quite obviously there was a reason which they have chosen not to share.

What is remarkable however is that of the three only one was subjected to denunciation.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #193 on: October 21, 2014, 04:07:10 PM »
The Press

Freedom of the press in Britain is freedom to print such of the proprietor's prejudices as the advertiser's won't object to. ~Helen Swaffer
Nuff said 8(>((
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ferryman

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Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #194 on: October 21, 2014, 04:15:27 PM »
The original “Insight” team of investigative journalists were second to none.

I think speculation without information from the three agencies who witheld the efits is pointless.  Quite obviously there was a reason which they have chosen not to share.

What is remarkable however is that of the three only one was subjected to denunciation.

Calvert and Blake?

Quite ...

The Times seems to have sufficiently deep pockets to indulge the, ahem, luxury of employing them ...

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2013/2298.html