Author Topic: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police  (Read 237623 times)

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Offline Montclair

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #690 on: October 20, 2014, 09:30:32 AM »
BTW, which is worse ie likely to cause the most upset: being called a f.....g tosser or being accused of causing your child's death and hiding her body?  Angelo seems to think they are equally offensive but I know I would much rather be called the first than accused of the second.  How about you guys?

The PJ and British police were the first to accuse the McCanns of hiding their daughter's body and simulating an abduction after she died in an unfortunate accident in 5A. Therefore, it's not as if someone came up with an absurd story to harrass the couple. This opinion is based on evidence and facts in the police files.

stephen25000

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Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #691 on: October 20, 2014, 09:33:34 AM »
The PJ and British police were the first to accuse the McCanns of hiding their daughter's body and simulating an abduction after she died in an unfortunate accident in 5A. Therefore, it's not as if someone came up with an absurd story to harrass the couple. This opinion is based on evidence and facts in the police files.


Precisely.

Offline Benice

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #692 on: October 20, 2014, 09:34:58 AM »
I think that those who break the law should be investigated...........but it isn`t for you, me or Sky News to decide who has or hasn`t...... or who is or isn`t a troll and target them, when the police haven`t.

Isn't that exactly what is happening now?  The police are in possession of evidence of possible law-breaking.  All the evidence collated and submitted has already been in the public domain.      They will investigate and decide whether there is evidence to warrant  prosecutions or not - as the case may be. 

People who have not broken the law have nothing to fear.   Those that have - should be made to face the consequences of their illlegal actions -  which they themselves chose to take.


 

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #693 on: October 20, 2014, 09:43:04 AM »
The PJ and British police were the first to accuse the McCanns of hiding their daughter's body and simulating an abduction after she died in an unfortunate accident in 5A. Therefore, it's not as if someone came up with an absurd story to harrass the couple. This opinion is based on evidence and facts in the police files.

That opinion was discounted when further enquiries proved there was no evidence against the McCanns or their friends to support it.

You are quoting the 'half time' score.   It's the 'full time' score which counts.   



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #694 on: October 20, 2014, 09:46:03 AM »
That opinion was discounted when further enquiries proved there was no evidence against the McCanns or their friends to support it.

You are quoting the 'half time' score.   It's the 'full time' score which counts.

The case was shelved as there was insufficient evidence  to bring charges.

That hasn't changed.


Offline carlymichelle

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #695 on: October 20, 2014, 09:49:32 AM »
The case was shelved as there was insufficient evidence  to bring charges.

That hasn't changed.


trying to erase history.......

Offline Montclair

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #696 on: October 20, 2014, 09:52:17 AM »
That opinion was discounted when further enquiries proved there was no evidence against the McCanns or their friends to support it.

You are quoting the 'half time' score.   It's the 'full time' score which counts.

The case was shelved while waiting for better evidence does not mean that the McCanns were cleared. The idea is that people believing that the parents were involved in Madeleine's disappearance is no loony conspiracy but an opinion with a basis.

stephen25000

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Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #697 on: October 20, 2014, 09:53:14 AM »

trying to erase history.......

No surprise on that.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #698 on: October 20, 2014, 10:06:44 AM »
There could be a role for you, then........ putting your money where your mouth is, instead of bleating on here about it............(Citizen`s Arrest? )

Gosh Carew you will wind up on his ignore list.
Anyone who does not agree with his exalted opinions is a wum and on ignore  @)(++(*
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stephen25000

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Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #699 on: October 20, 2014, 10:29:06 AM »
Gosh Carew you will wind up on his ignore list.
Anyone who does not agree with his exalted opinions is a wum and on ignore  @)(++(*

Too true. @)(++(*

Offline Benice

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #700 on: October 20, 2014, 10:30:14 AM »
The case was shelved while waiting for better evidence does not mean that the McCanns were cleared. The idea is that people believing that the parents were involved in Madeleine's disappearance is no loony conspiracy but an opinion with a basis.

The McCanns have not been charged with anything in the first place to be cleared of.  That's because there is no evidence against them or their friends.

That position has been confirmed by both the PJ and SY ruling them out of the enquiry as suspects or persons of interest.

Unless you are a conspiracy theorist of course - and have decided that the statement made by SY that they are not suspects - actually means 'they are prime suspects'.

Wishful thinking on a grand scale IMO.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #701 on: October 20, 2014, 10:33:29 AM »
The case was shelved while waiting for better evidence does not mean that the McCanns were cleared. The idea is that people believing that the parents were involved in Madeleine's disappearance is no loony conspiracy but an opinion with a basis.

who says the case was shelved waiting for better evidence...you are making that up...as the case was shelved and no investigation was in place do you expect the evidence to drop out of the sky...if you read the archiving report it says that the evidence on which the mccanns were suspected was basically wrongly interpreted

Offline Carew

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #702 on: October 20, 2014, 10:37:56 AM »
Isn't that exactly what is happening now?  The police are in possession of evidence of possible law-breaking.  All the evidence collated and submitted has already been in the public domain.      They will investigate and decide whether there is evidence to warrant  prosecutions or not - as the case may be.

People who have not broken the law have nothing to fear.   Those that have - should be made to face the consequences of their illlegal actions -  which they themselves chose to take.

There have already been prosecutions for twitter offences under existing laws............If the "collated evidence" submitted in the dossier was actually already in the public domain for all to see anyway,..... surely the police have the expertise to decide who to track and investigate for themselves?

..........and how do you justify selecting a target yourselves and confronting her via the media instead of leaving it to the authorities........as you recommend yourself in the emboldened sentence?
« Last Edit: October 20, 2014, 11:12:24 AM by Carew »

Offline Benice

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #703 on: October 20, 2014, 11:10:46 AM »
There have already been prosecutions for twitter offences under existing laws............If your "collated, submitted evidence" was already in the public domain for all to see anyway, surely the police have the expertise to decide who to track and investigate for themselves?

..........and how do you justify selecting a target yourselves and confronting her via the media instead of leaving it to the authorities........as you recommend yourself in the emboldened sentence?

I am assuming that the police do not have the resources to spend time monitoring Twitter and FB.   And they shouldn't have to IMO - that 's the responsibilty of the site owners.    If they had  closed BL's accounts as a result of complaints -  then what happened may well have NOT happened.

When I first joined AOL  Message Boards they were properly monitored.  The rule was 'attack the post and not the poster'.    Three  breaches of that rule - and you  lost your AOL account.

When they decided to stop paying the moderators and removed them - 'trolls' started creeping in.  The problem got worse and worse.  People left in droves.    Rather than spend money on sorting it out AOL simply closed down all their message boards.

That's not the way to go IMO.  Effective  'moderating' is the answer IMO.   And if that existed there would be no need for concerned members of the public to bring attention to the lawbreaking which is largely being ignored at the moment on Twitter and FB.

All IMHO

(must go out now)


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #704 on: October 20, 2014, 11:24:00 AM »
I am assuming that the police do not have the resources to spend time monitoring Twitter and FB.   And they shouldn't have to IMO - that 's the responsibilty of the site owners.    If they had  closed BL's accounts as a result of complaints -  then what happened may well have NOT happened.

When I first joined AOL  Message Boards they were properly monitored.  The rule was 'attack the post and not the poster'.    Three  breaches of that rule - and you  lost your AOL account.

When they decided to stop paying the moderators and removed them - 'trolls' started creeping in.  The problem got worse and worse.  People left in droves.    Rather than spend money on sorting it out AOL simply closed down all their message boards.



That's not the way to go IMO.  Effective  'moderating' is the answer IMO.   And if that existed there would be no need for concerned members of the public to bring attention to the lawbreaking which is largely being ignored at the moment on Twitter and FB.

All IMHO

(must go out now)


My Understanding is the 'dossier' was sent to SY > they sent it onto the local police-where the McCanns live... Now why would someone send it to SY?  Hmmmm  They just happen to be investigating the 'murder'(?)

In my opinion-Kate McCann spewed venom at anyone who did not agree with her- she has such a huge ego- and full of self importance she is not ...[ moderated ]

She forgave her 'abductors' but hates (with a psychotic vengence) Mr Amaral- who was a police officer-investigating what happened to her daughter. Yes HER DAUGHTER you read that correct!
missing person.

« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 04:06:39 AM by John »
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