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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2014, 10:44:41 PM »
They didn't search? Pardon me, but where did you get that information? They did cry "abduction" but it didn't produce much of a response from the police, did it? 20 officers max. that night, none of whom spoke English or had a clue what was really happening.
Perhaps you'd rather they'd assumed responsibility for searching all night themselves before contacting the Embassy first thing in the morning requesting assistance.

They didn't ring them, or bother to try.

Offline lordpookles

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2014, 10:54:25 PM »
It would be a priority though to contact the police as would searching. If they were searching whilst the delay was going on seems credible to me... I don't know the case as well as you experts so what were they doing during this time?
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Offline pegasus

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2014, 03:37:28 PM »
The non-police and police searches were less than complete even before they got to outside JIMO but then that happens in lots of cases
« Last Edit: October 21, 2014, 12:32:46 AM by John »

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2014, 01:30:43 PM »
Searching.  Kate = #1.

The 4 men from the Tapas 9 outside 5A = #2.

The 'structured' search by the Ocean Club = #3.

The GNR dog searches early on the morning of 4 May = #4.

If Kate's book is accurate, the search by Gerry and Kate around dawn on 4 May = #5.

The general searches by the GNR and population of Luz, scouring Luz, lasting approximately a week, shall we call that #6?

The specialist dogs of the GNR that searched on late 4 May and late 5 May.  #7?

After that, I get into "dogs of death" and Scotland Yard conducting fingertip searches of Luz.  Those, I can understand how and where they searched, what they found or not etc.

Does anyone have solid evidence of what happened in the searches I have labelled #1 to #7?  Just asking.  8()-000(
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Offline John

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2014, 12:35:34 AM »
Its a pity a proper search of the underground pipe network wasn't carried out at the time.  Too much focus on an unevidenced abduction and not enough on misadventure imo.
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Offline Montclair

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2014, 11:11:49 AM »
Kate might not have searched much but she certainly started to sleep well, after about 5 days!

Offline jassi

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2014, 11:18:12 AM »
Kate might not have searched much but she certainly started to sleep well, after about 5 days!

Probably all that running and tennis .
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Offline Brietta

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2014, 02:12:34 PM »

We know searches were carried out; I think the issue may be how effective they were. 

For example we do not know how well coordinated they were and exactly who was searching where. 

We do know the dumpsters were allowed to be emptied and we know potential evidence was overlooked … as in the case of the cigarette ends on the balcony.

The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2014, 05:21:29 PM »
Its a pity a proper search of the underground pipe network wasn't carried out at the time.  Too much focus on an unevidenced abduction and not enough on misadventure imo.

Yes John, I agree. I am also uneasy about Kate and Gerry bad mouthing the police so early on, that must have cause a lot of animosity.  Where were the police to look for an abducted child? I can understand panic and all that, but this was sureal to be honest. The Needham family still walk about looking for their son- the McCanns never bothered when they were thereOR when they went to Portugal-they were too busy suing someone.

They lost my respect when they began the celebrity thing- meeting the pope etc.
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Offline Montclair

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2014, 05:48:34 PM »
Also, when the McCann's relatives came out in droves to Praia da Luz, they didn't do any searching. People were shocked to see them all lounging around the pool area as if they were on a free vacation.

Offline Benice

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2014, 05:52:26 PM »
Yes John, I agree. I am also uneasy about Kate and Gerry bad mouthing the police so early on, that must have cause a lot of animosity.  Where were the police to look for an abducted child? I can understand panic and all that, but this was sureal to be honest. The Needham family still walk about looking for their son- the McCanns never bothered when they were thereOR when they went to Portugal-they were too busy suing someone.

They lost my respect when they began the celebrity thing- meeting the pope etc.

Kate has been back to PdL  several times since 2007 - how does anyone know what she did on those occasions.


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Offline jassi

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2014, 05:56:06 PM »
Also, when the McCann's relatives came out in droves to Praia da Luz, they didn't do any searching. People were shocked to see them all lounging around the pool area as if they were on a free vacation.

Which, in  a sense they probably were.  A little bit of light driving, perhaps
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2014, 06:08:34 PM »
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Kate and Gerry did not search when they were in Portugal we would have known about it -they would have told the press. Encouraged friends and family to go over to organize search areas.

They left Portugal(couldn't get away fast enough) and Maddie behind-tried to get on with their lives- leaving a bewildered Populace behind-and a filthy taste of badness about their police and their country.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2014, 09:28:10 PM by John »
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Offline Montclair

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2014, 03:53:52 PM »
You mean raise money so that OTHERS may do the searching - like when they go on holiday

The holiday makers have to pay for the holiday pack and for posters to boot.

Offline Brietta

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2014, 04:50:55 PM »
You mean raise money so that OTHERS may do the searching - like when they go on holiday

Hmmm ... any ideas how they should go about physically searching themselves?

We have seen how quickly the Met who are in cooperation with the PJ have been able to progress with their search in PDL.
There are very many formalities and legalities to go through before anyone can embark on any sort of search, even a law enforcement agency.

Again ... how exactly do you think the Drs McCann should be conducting the search for their daughter?  and how much help do you suppose they would get from the graffiti artists of PDL to assist them?


The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"