Alleged Miscarriages of Justice > The kidnapping and shooting/murder of Anni Dewani while on her honeymoon in South Africa. Trial of Shrien Dewani was held in Cape Town, SA.
Shrien Dewani trial commences in Capetown.
lane99:
Yes, there's plenty of reason to believe Asiansubgay is guilty as sin. And, heaven help us, the level that particular sin reached. To dupe a beautiful woman like Anni into marrying him, and objectify and exploit her as a means to an end to such an extent that you're willing to arrange for her to be obliterated from existence once she's served your purposes; well, on the scale of ruthlessness and depravity, Dewani's scheme might be hard to beat.
Point of order: it's often been argued that Dewani's attempts to avoid a trial is "very telling" of guilt. It's not. And that is a very poor argument. Be they innocent or guilty, only a fool would subject themselves to a trial if one could be avoided. Trials are not particularly good at distinguishing innocent people from guilty people. And when an innocent person finds themselves on trial, they are quite liable- despite their innocence- to be falsely convicted.
That said, the means which Dewani used to avoid the trial (dubious claims of mental illness) I do consider telling. And just another example of what a conniving, manipulative, duplicitous conman he is.
Holly Goodhead:
--- Quote from: lane99 on October 17, 2014, 10:41:24 PM ---Yes, there's plenty of reason to believe Asiansubgay is guilty as sin. And, heaven help us, the level that particular sin reached. To dupe a beautiful woman like Anni into marrying him, and objectify and exploit her as a means to an end to such an extent that you're willing to arrange for her to be obliterated from existence once she's served your purposes; well, on the scale of ruthlessness and depravity, Dewani's scheme might be hard to beat.
Point of order: it's often been argued that Dewani's attempts to avoid a trial is "very telling" of guilt. It's not. And that is a very poor argument. Be they innocent or guilty, only a fool would subject themselves to a trial if one could be avoided. Trials are not particularly good at distinguishing innocent people from guilty people. And when an innocent person finds themselves on trial, they are quite liable- despite their innocence- to be falsely convicted.
That said, the means which Dewani used to avoid the trial (dubious claims of mental illness) I do consider telling. And just another example of what a conniving, manipulative, duplicitous conman he is.
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Interesting post!
May I start by asking is there any particular reason why you changed the thread title/subject in your post from " Shrien Dewani trial commences in Cape town" to "I'm an arrogant, filthy c**ks****r. Hard to disagree, I'd say". Hard indeed 8(0(*
I don't know much about the case so have no strong views either way but from what little I do know it seems a bit of a witch hunt!
I assume by "Asiansubgay" you are in fact referring to SD? If so are you able to bullet point your reasons why you believe he's "as guilty as sin"? Also I noticed you made reference to "sin" twice in your post. May I ask what your definition of "sin" is?
The fact SD is bisexual and indulged in gay submissive sex seems to loom large in your mind? SD admitted to this at the start of his trial. He also distinguished between his relationships with gay/bisexual males and straight females. He said his relationships with males were based on sex. And with females they involved other activities (non-sexual I assume) and emotional attachment.
SD's lifestyle might not meet with your approval but it isn't actually a crime in the legal sense.
The fact is most men have very powerful sex drives and often go to extraordinary lengths to get these needs met which invariably involve novelty and variety.
I am reminded of the Milly Dowler case where Milly's father, Bob Dowler, was at one time a suspect. Apparently MD had found "extreme" pornographic material involving bondage at the family home which she discussed with her mother and friend. This caused MD some distress. The loft also contained bondage material eg rubber hood and a ball shaped gag although I don't think MD found this. It also became known that on the day Milly went missing BD had stopped at a motorway service station and had viewed pornography. He then went home and performed a sex act on himself. Despite BD being an initial suspect we all now know that the perpetrator was in fact the notorious Levi Bellfield. So what I am saying lane99 is that I don't believe much can be read into the fact that SD was bisexual and a frequent visitor to gay/bisexual porn sites.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8517521/Levi-Bellfield-trial-Pornography-made-Milly-Dowlers-father-first-suspect.html
With regard to your "dubious claims of mental illness" how do you square the fact that Xolie Mngeni who was convicted of AD's murder has in the last few hours died of a brain tumour.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29676084
John:
Appears there were many changes going on in the family business with three companies changing their name. After the murder Shrien Dewani's was removed as a director and his share holdings transferred. This could be seen as a mechanism intended to avoid any potential loss in the event of a pecuniary penalty being applied by the courts. For sure there appears from the records to be an offshore involvement using a vehicle in Guernsey to obscure who really owned the parent holdings as a part of some tax avoidance scam. I wonder did Anni find out something she shouldn't have?
https://m.facebook.com/Justice4Anni/posts/272531346131099
Holly Goodhead:
SD studied accountancy at UMIST and qualified as a chartered accountant with Deloitte working in the City of London. He was therefore well placed/qualified to take advantage of any tax avoidance schemes which, although some might baulk at from a moral perspective, are in fact perfectly legal unlike tax evasion.
I watched the Panorama prog yesterday (many thanks Anna 8((()*/) and I'm now more inclined to see SD as innocent and the victim of a witch hunt.
sika:
--- Quote from: Holly Goodhead on October 19, 2014, 04:51:26 PM ---SD studied accountancy at UMIST and qualified as a chartered accountant with Deloitte working in the City of London. He was therefore well placed/qualified to take advantage of any tax avoidance schemes which, although some might baulk at from a moral perspective, are in fact perfectly legal unlike tax evasion.
I watched the Panorama prog yesterday (many thanks Anna 8((()*/) and I'm now more inclined to see SD as innocent and the victim of a witch hunt.
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Hi Holly, I remember watching that programme at the time and thinking they did a great job of offering up a defence for him. I can see him walking free.
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