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Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #450 on: October 08, 2014, 10:32:27 AM »
Nope!

Martin Smith said in his statement to the Irish Gardia police at the end of January 2008 that he had been approached by Brian Kennedy representing the McCanns to produce an efit, but had refused.

It must have been after early August 2008, when the files were released and Mr Smith realised he had been (honestly) mistaken to suppose that the man was Gerry, that he agreed to produce it.

By 2009 the efits were in the hands of British and Portuguese police who, themselves, waited until the Crimewatch programme to release the efits.

And who "suppressed" what for 5 years?

Why should the McCanns have gainsaid the police by releasing efits the police chose to withhold until the Crimewatch programme, even if they (the McCanns) were in a position to, which isn't clear (at least to me)?

This has gone over before.

The mccanns were given e-fits and these were passed on, and not released.

Old news.

Offline lizzibif

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #451 on: October 08, 2014, 10:54:01 AM »
IMO ..Brenda Leyland probably took her life because of other issue's going on in her life..not because of one news reporter asking her a question in which she confidently replied (im entitled) blaming sky news over her death is ludicrous...

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #452 on: October 08, 2014, 11:33:25 AM »
"everyone .should want the same thing ...to get to the truth....no one can say ...if they are truthful"


no one can say they weren't... can you ?...

Yes, the definitely weren't.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #453 on: October 08, 2014, 11:39:55 AM »
Its like I have said abuse goes both ways. Brenda Leyland is entitled to say what she likes as long as she isnt openly threatening or abusing the McCanns personally. (I dont necessarily agree with all this tweeting rubbish, and calling out the McCanns etc it serves no purpose in finding the child).

However, those trolls who were following Brenda Leyland need to watch their backs also, as I believe one in particular has been reported to the police.

Joan Morais on Google:

some tweets made by someone calling themselves Rainne (@dirndllass) sent to Brenda that are the most disgusting I have ever seen. I have forwarded them to the Met and drawn attention to them in as many places as I can. They clearly t
hreaten Brenda in the most appalling way and it would not surprise me if they had something to do with her demise. This person also needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.


It doesnt take rocket science to find this women, this is on her tweet shows the type of person she is...

https://twitter.com/dirndllass

HER TOP TWEET.....@sweepyface....GOOD RIDDENCE TO BAD RUBBISH....

If this is the type of person who is supporting the McCanns god help them is all I can say.

This women was so traumatised by some of these threats she HANGED HERSELF....Brenda Leyland. HANGED HERSELF....

Shame on people who would support tweeting this way about a women has died in horrible circumstances....no one deserved that.

I think Rainne may be the classic example of what some trolling is really all about … see an individual prominently featured in the MSM for whatever reason … and send them abuse without stopping for a second to care about the effect on the recipient.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #454 on: October 08, 2014, 11:40:59 AM »
IMO ..Brenda Leyland probably took her life because of other issue's going on in her life..not because of one news reporter asking her a question in which she confidently replied (im entitled) blaming sky news over her death is ludicrous...

You may be right, but the Coroners report whatever it says will be the "guvnor document".
I think I would prefer to wait for the official judgement on cause and see if the coroner makes any recommendations in his report.

"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline lizzibif

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #455 on: October 08, 2014, 11:50:47 AM »
You may be right, but the Coroners report whatever it says will be the "guvnor document".
I think I would prefer to wait for the official judgement on cause and see if the coroner makes any recommendations in his report.

isn't the coroner there to find out how she died ..not why ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #456 on: October 08, 2014, 11:51:51 AM »
You may be right, but the Coroners report whatever it says will be the "guvnor document".
I think I would prefer to wait for the official judgement on cause and see if the coroner makes any recommendations in his report.

Then perhaps those calling for the head of Martin Brunt should also be cautioned to wait

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #457 on: October 08, 2014, 11:54:57 AM »
You can turn that another way.

If we condemn the hounding of the McCanns (you, I and plenty others here do!) then there may be an argument that while reporting Brenda Leyland to police was absolutely spot-on and justified, from there, matters should have been left to police to progress.

Then we get to control of the press...a free press is very important... This is exactly why the McCanns hired a press spokesman...to handle the press for them...should make a lot more sense to posters now

Offline faithlilly

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #458 on: October 08, 2014, 11:56:10 AM »
It is being reported on BBC that it was the McCanns themselves who handed the dossier to the police. Which again begs the question, how did the media get it ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/p02789bx
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Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #459 on: October 08, 2014, 11:57:05 AM »
You see this is it ....they are not biased ...they just don't believe the abduction theory ...IMO

anyone who doesn't believe the abduction crap ...is a troll ....

All people want is the mccs to be responsible for there actions ...IMO ...by not doing this ...they don't care ...what they did ...they care only for themselves

everyone .should want the same thing ...to get to the truth....no one can say ...if they are truthful ...that there is something very wrong and always has been ...to what really happened to maddie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJ7aDmcuG4&feature=youtu.be

responsible to whom?

Offline Brietta

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #460 on: October 08, 2014, 12:04:38 PM »
Then we get to control of the press...a free press is very important... This is exactly why the McCanns hired a press spokesman...to handle the press for them...should make a lot more sense to posters now


Doorstepping ‘troll’ Brenda Leyland was justified, so let’s not bully Sky’s Martin Brunt - Roy Greenslade

A Sky News journalist has been subjected to an online bashing because he doorstepped a woman accused of “trolling” the parents of Madeleine McCann.

The woman, Brenda Leyland, was later found dead.

We need to pick our way carefully through the farrago of claims, counterclaims and details to make a sensible analysis of competing grievances. First, vastly experienced Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt did nothing wrong by knocking on Leyland’s door.

Doorstepping is part of the methodology and culture of journalism, and not just in Britain. The fêted Watergate reporters Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward did just that, as the movie All The President’s Men portrays. It is a necessary part of the verification process that underpins all responsible journalism.

The unusual aspect in the Sky News case is that it took place during a live broadcast. Although Brunt did not reveal Leyland’s identity or the location of her home, her face was, of course,  seen on screen. That’s identification enough.

The case raises ethical problems because the broadcaster could not have known her mental and emotional state. It would surely have been better to have run an edited version rather than carry it live.

That said, the result would not have been very different unless Sky News’s editors had decided, given the time to debate the matter, that it would have been appropriate to pixellate her face.

It is not fair to say that Brunt had stalked or hounded Leyland, as his critics have claimed. He properly reported on Leyland’s vitriolic Twitter campaign against Kate and Gerry McCann. And she told him she was “entitled” to attack them.

Brunt in turn could argue that he was “entitled” to report on her activities. Disclosure is the point of journalism, and the facts of her tweeting are not in dispute. If people insult other people in a public forum, they must accept that they are open to public exposure, even if they use aliases.

It is, of course, fair to defend Leyland’s right to freedom of expression, but  collectively, her tweets — all of which were unpalatable, and some of which I found appalling — surely amounted to a form of bullying. They are a classic example of what we mean by “trolling”.

Other people who believe in the complicity of the McCanns in the death of their missing daughter, Madeleine, have tweeted worse, arguably illegal, comments. But that’s irrelevant to the overall argument about the media’s  right to reveal Leyland’s attacks. She just happened to be the first  to be identified.

The digital world is all about transparency. Leyland may have thought that by hiding behind her Twitter handle, @sweepyface, she could evade responsibility and public embarrassment for her actions.

I concede that the circumstances were unfortunate, and I have a feeling that Sky News will think again about live doorstepping. It may not amount to trial by media, a knee-jerk reaction to the incident, but it does smack of unnecessary intrusiveness.

Then again, I can’t help feeling that it is a bit rich to accuse Brunt of being a bully for having revealed the existence of a genuine bully. He is a sensitive man, quite unlike the stereotypical foot-in-the-door reporter of yesteryear legend, and I am sure he is upset at her death.

Roy Greenslade is Professor of Journalism, City University London, and writes a blog for the Guardian
http://www.standard.co.uk/business/markets/doorstepping-troll-brenda-leyland-was-justified-so-lets-not-bully-skys-martin-brunt--roy-greenslade-9781575.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #461 on: October 08, 2014, 12:08:01 PM »
Then perhaps those calling for the head of Martin Brunt should also be cautioned to wait
Granted they would be wise to wait for the outcome before trapping off but if push comes to shove Mr Brunt will probably be the expendable one.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #462 on: October 08, 2014, 12:10:46 PM »
'It is, of course, fair to defend Leyland’s right to freedom of expression, but  collectively, her tweets — all of which were unpalatable, and some of which I found appalling — surely amounted to a form of bullying. They are a classic example of what we mean by “trolling”.'


Unpalatable?

Appalling?

Couldn't disagree more Mr Greenslade, what are ya, a big girl or sumink?

If you found her tweets unpaletable then I imagine that 'decenct, kind people, raping you to death' tweet, would send to you to an early grave.

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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #463 on: October 08, 2014, 12:19:09 PM »
'It is, of course, fair to defend Leyland’s right to freedom of expression, but  collectively, her tweets — all of which were unpalatable, and some of which I found appalling — surely amounted to a form of bullying. They are a classic example of what we mean by “trolling”.'


Unpalatable?

Appalling?

Couldn't disagree more Mr Greenslade, what are ya, a big girl or sumink?

If you found her tweets unpaletable then I imagine that 'decenct, kind people, raping you to death' tweet, would send to you to an early grave.

Are you referring to the tweets made by "Rainne"?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #464 on: October 08, 2014, 12:32:44 PM »
isn't the coroner there to find out how she died ..not why ?
Primarily yes but the coroner has powers to question witnesses and properly interested persons, refer the case to the police for criminal investigation if he thinks there is cause, may make recommendations to prevent deaths under similar circumstances  and produce a narrative conclusion to an inquest.
I am sure there is information issued by The Chief Coroners Office and Ministry of Justice which defines the precise duties and powers in more detail.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey