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ferryman

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Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #465 on: October 08, 2014, 12:33:44 PM »
Are you referring to the tweets made by "Rainne"?

Touche!

Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #466 on: October 08, 2014, 12:34:49 PM »
Are you referring to the tweets made by "Rainne"?

Yes, what of it?
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« Reply #467 on: October 08, 2014, 12:39:10 PM »

Doorstepping ‘troll’ Brenda Leyland was justified, so let’s not bully Sky’s Martin Brunt - Roy Greenslade

A Sky News journalist has been subjected to an online bashing because he doorstepped a woman accused of “trolling” the parents of Madeleine McCann.

The woman, Brenda Leyland, was later found dead.

We need to pick our way carefully through the farrago of claims, counterclaims and details to make a sensible analysis of competing grievances. First, vastly experienced Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt did nothing wrong by knocking on Leyland’s door.

Doorstepping is part of the methodology and culture of journalism, and not just in Britain. The fêted Watergate reporters Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward did just that, as the movie All The President’s Men portrays. It is a necessary part of the verification process that underpins all responsible journalism.

The unusual aspect in the Sky News case is that it took place during a live broadcast. Although Brunt did not reveal Leyland’s identity or the location of her home, her face was, of course,  seen on screen. That’s identification enough.

The case raises ethical problems because the broadcaster could not have known her mental and emotional state. It would surely have been better to have run an edited version rather than carry it live.

That said, the result would not have been very different unless Sky News’s editors had decided, given the time to debate the matter, that it would have been appropriate to pixellate her face.

It is not fair to say that Brunt had stalked or hounded Leyland, as his critics have claimed. He properly reported on Leyland’s vitriolic Twitter campaign against Kate and Gerry McCann. And she told him she was “entitled” to attack them.

Brunt in turn could argue that he was “entitled” to report on her activities. Disclosure is the point of journalism, and the facts of her tweeting are not in dispute. If people insult other people in a public forum, they must accept that they are open to public exposure, even if they use aliases.

It is, of course, fair to defend Leyland’s right to freedom of expression, but  collectively, her tweets — all of which were unpalatable, and some of which I found appalling — surely amounted to a form of bullying. They are a classic example of what we mean by “trolling”.

Other people who believe in the complicity of the McCanns in the death of their missing daughter, Madeleine, have tweeted worse, arguably illegal, comments. But that’s irrelevant to the overall argument about the media’s  right to reveal Leyland’s attacks. She just happened to be the first  to be identified.

The digital world is all about transparency. Leyland may have thought that by hiding behind her Twitter handle, @sweepyface, she could evade responsibility and public embarrassment for her actions.

I concede that the circumstances were unfortunate, and I have a feeling that Sky News will think again about live doorstepping. It may not amount to trial by media, a knee-jerk reaction to the incident, but it does smack of unnecessary intrusiveness.

Then again, I can’t help feeling that it is a bit rich to accuse Brunt of being a bully for having revealed the existence of a genuine bully. He is a sensitive man, quite unlike the stereotypical foot-in-the-door reporter of yesteryear legend, and I am sure he is upset at her death.

Roy Greenslade is Professor of Journalism, City University London, and writes a blog for the Guardian
http://www.standard.co.uk/business/markets/doorstepping-troll-brenda-leyland-was-justified-so-lets-not-bully-skys-martin-brunt--roy-greenslade-9781575.html

Try if you can without diverting to remember some key information.

SKY NEWS LIED in stating she was being investigayed by the police.

She wasn't.

The police were sent 'files'.

I also have noticed a member of this forum who hasn't posted in the last three says repeatedly claimed she'd been taking screenshots  &%+((£

Others have been doing that as well. %£&)**#

She obviously hadn't been charged, so why were sky news there, and how did they get her address ?

ferryman

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Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #468 on: October 08, 2014, 12:45:20 PM »
Yes, what of it?

The tweets of the late (and lamented) Brenda Leyland were the epitome of sweetness and light ...

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #469 on: October 08, 2014, 12:47:01 PM »
Yes, what of it?

Because "Rainne" is a classic "troll".  No previous history of anything to do with the Mccanns, and a series of random (extremely unpleasant) posts about "sweepyface".  Lots of previous tweets about others - celebs, blacks, muslims, mormons.  And a fondness for the R, F, CS and other words.

Whereas Brenda Leyland has posted over 4000 posts about the McCanns.  That does seem to be a trifle obsessive.   

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« Reply #470 on: October 08, 2014, 12:49:24 PM »
In light of Martin Brunt's actions regarding the challenging of Brenda Leyland about her online activities and the subsequent rage against his actions in some quarters, what do the sceptics here now think about the actions of TV interviewer Sabine Mueller when she asked the McCanns live on TV:

 "How do you feel with the fact that more and more people seem to be pointing the finger at you?

"They're saying the way you behave isn't how people would normally behave when their child is abducted.

"They seem to imply that you might have something to do with it."


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stephen25000

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Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #471 on: October 08, 2014, 12:53:26 PM »
The tweets of the late (and lamented) Brenda Leyland were the epitome of sweetness and light ...

Sarcasm ferryman ?

In very poor taste.

She is dead.

Then for you, you leave nothing in the way in defending the mccanns, do you ?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #472 on: October 08, 2014, 12:53:34 PM »
Because "Rainne" is a classic "troll".  No previous history of anything to do with the Mccanns, and a series of random (extremely unpleasant) posts about "sweepyface".  Lots of previous tweets about others - celebs, blacks, muslims, mormons.  And a fondness for the R, F, CS and other words.

Whereas Brenda Leyland has posted over 4000 posts about the McCanns.  That does seem to be a trifle obsessive.

Mmmm there are several posters on here with more than that number of posts maybe they are obsessive too?
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ferryman

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Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #473 on: October 08, 2014, 12:54:07 PM »
In light of Martin Brunt's actions regarding the challenging of Brenda Leyland about her online activities and the subsequent rage against his actions in some quarters, what do the sceptics here now think about the actions of TV interviewer Sabine Mueller when she asked the McCanns live on TV:

 "How do you feel with the fact that more and more people seem to be pointing the finger at you?

"They're saying the way you behave isn't how people would normally behave when their child is abducted.

"They seem to imply that you might have something to do with it."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccanns-appalled-by-newsgirls-slur-480709#ixzz3FYMl6NG0
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Astute post.

I will follow the replies with interest ...

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #474 on: October 08, 2014, 12:55:28 PM »
Because "Rainne" is a classic "troll".  No previous history of anything to do with the Mccanns, and a series of random (extremely unpleasant) posts about "sweepyface".  Lots of previous tweets about others - celebs, blacks, muslims, mormons.  And a fondness for the R, F, CS and other words.

Whereas Brenda Leyland has posted over 4000 posts about the McCanns.  That does seem to be a trifle obsessive.

I see, you'd like to think I was arguing something along the lines of, 'pr0's post worse shite than ant1's'.

I wasn't.

What other types of 'troll' are there then?

Rainne being a 'classic' one.
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Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #475 on: October 08, 2014, 01:03:09 PM »
I see, you'd like to think I was arguing something along the lines of, 'pr0's post worse shite than ant1's'.

I wasn't.

What other types of 'troll' are there then?

Rainne being a 'classic' one.

I was pointing oiut that Rainne is neither a pr0 nor an ant1.  Just a troll.  an equal opportunities one, to be sure - happy to rant at anyone or anything regardless of creed, colour, gender or anything else.

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #476 on: October 08, 2014, 01:08:52 PM »
Astute post.

I will follow the replies with interest ...

TBH I don't think the two are at all comparable.

The journalist asked their question during a press conference in which the McCanns had agreed to take part. Brenda ( not Barbara ) Leyland was doorstepped and told lies to elicit a response. She was unaware that this was going to happen and did not give her consent to being questioned.

That is the difference.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #477 on: October 08, 2014, 01:16:17 PM »
I was pointing oiut that Rainne is neither a pr0 nor an ant1.  Just a troll.  an equal opportunities one, to be sure - happy to rant at anyone or anything regardless of creed, colour, gender or anything else.

I was just pointing out what a big softie that Prof Greenslade is.

I notice he describes Brendas posts as 'a classic example of what we mean by “trolling”.

Rainnes posts are somewhat different to Brendas though, aren't they.

'Extreme Trolling', perhaps.
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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Brenda Leyland found dead in a hotel room.
« Reply #478 on: October 08, 2014, 01:22:08 PM »
TBH I don't think the two are at all comparable.

The journalist asked their question during a press conference in which the McCanns had agreed to take part. Brenda ( not Barbara ) Leyland was doorstepped and told lies to elicit a response. She was unaware that this was going to happen and did not give her consent to being questioned.

That is the difference.

If you "put yourself out there" to the extent of 4000 tweets, directed at one family over the course of a few months, then it is not that surprising that someone might call you on it. 

Offline Jean-Pierre

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« Reply #479 on: October 08, 2014, 01:29:32 PM »
I was just pointing out what a big softie that Prof Greenslade is.

I notice he describes Brendas posts as 'a classic example of what we mean by “trolling”.

Rainnes posts are somewhat different to Brendas though, aren't they.

'Extreme Trolling', perhaps.

I agree with you on that.  He must have led a sheltered life.  he needs to get out more.