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Offline Angelo222

What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« on: October 24, 2014, 01:04:20 AM »
This question has bothered me recently so I am opening it up for discussion. 

What is more important, finding out what happened to Maddie and possibly getting her back or managing to convict someone for involvement in her abduction?

I ask this question because of a comment made on the reward thread, is it not better to know what happened to her regardless of any conviction?  An amnesty could be offered alongside a reward in a last attempt to get resolution.

Any takers??
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Offline Eleanor

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2014, 01:19:56 AM »

Not really, No.  I think someone, or several, will be charged before there is any chance of finding out where she is.  And then I expect them to deny it.

One bloody fingerprint isn't going to prove anything.  "I was there, but I never done it."

Offline Angelo222

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2014, 01:30:45 AM »
Not really, No.  I think someone, or several, will be charged before there is any chance of finding out where she is.  And then I expect them to deny it.

One bloody fingerprint isn't going to prove anything.  "I was there, but I never done it."

If I was her parent i would be wanting her back safe and sound and to hell with any conviction.  Do you agree Eleanor?
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Offline Benice

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2014, 01:37:37 AM »
This question has bothered me recently so I am opening it up for discussion. 

What is more important, finding out what happened to Maddie and possibly getting her back or managing to convict someone for involvement in her abduction?

I ask this question because of a comment made on the reward thread, is it not better to know what happened to her regardless of any conviction?  An amnesty could be offered alongside a reward in a last attempt to get resolution.

Any takers??

Definitely finding her IMO.    Any prosecutions which followed would just be a bonus IMO.  The McCanns need closure - one way or another.   The same goes for Ben Needham's family.   The 'not knowing' must be pure hell.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Eleanor

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2014, 01:39:43 AM »
If I was her parent i would be wanting her back safe and sound and to hell with any conviction.  Do you agree Eleanor?

Too much assumption for me.  And too late now.  It wouldn't be for The McCanns to choose now.

However, if someone approached them secretly, heaven alone knows what they would decide to do.

Offline Brietta

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2014, 01:39:58 AM »
If I was her parent i would be wanting her back safe and sound and to hell with any conviction.  Do you agree Eleanor?

It isn't down to them ... it is down to due process.

I don’t think anyone is going to give Madeleine up even if they could or volunteer any information at all about what happened to her or who may have been involved. 

I think her best chance is in pursuing the criminals in this case as they would in any other, and hoping they uncover evidence in the process. 

I do not think anyone who knows anything will talk, for the simple reason that neither they nor their loved ones would be likely to enjoy spending a euro of any reward.  Omertà
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2014, 08:38:35 AM »
All in all a depressing picture - no one talking , no likely conviction, no likely closure.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

stephen25000

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Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2014, 08:43:42 AM »
All in all a depressing picture - no one talking , no likely conviction, no likely closure.

..and SY are investigating a murder, well at least according to BHH.

Offline jassi

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2014, 09:01:52 AM »
..and SY are investigating a murder, well at least according to BHH.

I find their stance interesting considering that we have been told countless times that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to any harm.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

stephen25000

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Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2014, 09:07:11 AM »
I find their stance interesting considering that we have been told countless times that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to any harm.

Indeed. That cliche  has been trotted out so many times, it has become crass.

If Madeleine had come to no harm, she would not have disappeared in the first place.





Offline Benice

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2014, 09:12:18 AM »
I find their stance interesting considering that we have been told countless times that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to any harm.

DCI Redwood acknowledged that Madeleine may be dead a long time ago. 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline jassi

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2014, 09:15:39 AM »
DCI Redwood acknowledged that Madeleine may be dead a long time ago.


So, either there is evidence that she is dead, or SY are basing their investigation on a hunch.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Benice

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2014, 09:20:21 AM »

So, either there is evidence that she is dead, or SY are basing their investigation on a hunch.

No.  SY believe she was removed from 5A by a stranger.   For what purpose they do not know.   She could have been murdered or not been murdered.   That is what they are trying to find out.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2014, 09:44:48 AM »
No.  SY believe she was removed from 5A by a stranger.   For what purpose they do not know.   She could have been murdered or not been murdered.   That is what they are trying to find out.

A belief in not evidence, let alone proof of anything.


BHH said, in his 'slip', a murder investigation, then altered that as he realized what he let slip.

Offline Angelo222

Re: What's more important? Finding Maddie or a conviction?
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2014, 10:23:10 AM »
Definitely finding her IMO.    Any prosecutions which followed would just be a bonus IMO.  The McCanns need closure - one way or another.   The same goes for Ben Needham's family.   The 'not knowing' must be pure hell.

My sentiments for sure, that is why there has to be some unique thinking in this case and to date we haven't seen any.  Assuming for a moment she was abducted then someone knows about it but they won't come forward without some incentive.
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