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Offline adam

The threatening letter. Why are Bamber supporters so upset?
« on: October 25, 2014, 11:03:32 AM »
Whether Jeremy directly or indirectly arranged for Harrison to get the threatening letter, no one knows. But why should Jeremy a supporter or supporters  be so upset if a new book is going to highlight guilt ?

Supporters on forums have often mentioned Mason Doyle's forthcoming book. Which seems to have disappeared. Optimistically believing that a new book will bring up new evidence showing Jeremy's innocence. But if that was going to happen, surely Jeremy would have already found this evidence. He's been campaigning for 29 years, & apparently has two sets of legal teams and a campaign team.

The best a new book could do would be to be a Scott Lomax esq book. Which would in a biased way suggest his innocence.

Any good investigative author will try to produce a balanced book, which would highlight the guilt that has convicted Jeremy for 29 years.  While discussing the unproven claims about police corruption, family frame ups & savage girlfriends.

So why would Jeremy, a supporter or supporters be so upset when finding out the content of Harrison's book ?

One reason is because Harrison went into the book believing there could be a miscarriage of justice. Which could be a reason why Jeremy has engaged with him. However, similar to other writers Harrison has changed stance.

Being the first book in years, a guilty book will be a big blow which negates the internet and media work trying to secure a release. Obviously too much of a big blow for someone, or some people.

Writing a threatening letter does more harm than good. It will never stop the author trying to get the book published. He may have spent years writing it. It creates bad publicity and highlights that an author believes Jeremy is guilty, putting Jeremy & his supporters in a bad light.

Why do people believe a person or people wrote the threatening letter ?
« Last Edit: November 08, 2014, 07:44:44 PM by John »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2014, 02:22:16 PM »
I think the letter was orchestrated.

PH was banned from Red - this is true but he only made half a dozen posts or so to counter some stick - he didn't use Red as a platform to promote himself/his book as he did on Blue.

It's unlikely anyone knows for certain what PH's stance is on the case either now or historically.  Unless he was/is working on any book as a shared project why is he going to take others into his confidences despite what they may think?

I've seen previous attempts by others to get close to those they think might have key info.  Eg when Mat joined the forum it was rumoured he worked for the CCRC and a female poster quite literally tried to get inside his pants!  And it wasn't Preecey! 

I'm not sure what PH hoped to gain by introducing himself as an author on the forum?  I would have thought far better to mingle anonymously?  He would still have access to the library/archives and could debate on the forum and in pm's if necessary?  Note his post here:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3151.msg120865.html#msg120865

"Contractually, I cannot/ will not be be divulging anything about my research, but I will add to discussions and debates and ask many reasoned questions which I hope all parties will sensibly answer"

Anyone ever see him do this?  I certainly didn't?  So what does that tell you?

His background certainly seems to lend itself to writing about true crime: ex police and judge's clerk. On this basis he would seem to have some advantage over other authors who have written about the case: Caffell, Lomax, Powell, Wilkes.  Any book might have a different twist but the idea that it would be capable of demonstrating conclusive guilt or innocence  is imo very doubtful.

As our legal system is adversarial it is not necessary to demonstrate guilt or innocence. Acquittals/convictions are based on 'not guilty' or 'guilty' which is based on 'beyond reasonable doubt'.  Often there's no conclusive evidence to support an acquittal or conviction.  If JB's conviction is quashed it will be on the basis that it is unsafe and therefore cannot be sustained.  It's not necessary to prove innocence.   I would be absolutely stunned if in JB's case there's a piece, or pieces, of evidence in existence capable of showing conclusive innocence or guilt.   Even if the soc had been treated as it should have been from day 1 I doubt conclusive guilt/innocence would be possible.  It would just have made an acquittal or conviction less contentious.

Even if a biased (pro or anti) book is published it's unlikely to have any or little effect on JB's case.  If JB believes he's the victim of a MoJ he will need to convince the CCRC and COA that his conviction is unsafe based on the law as it stands.

I wonder what happened to Carol Ann Lee's book?  This was due to be published on 14th April 2014 in Australia and Canada.  I wonder if any book by CAL might focus on SC?  CAL has previously written about females:  Ruth Ellis, Ann Frank, Myra Hindley. 

CAL if you read this forum, good on yer girl for remaining professional and not going down the Paul Harrison route.  Another fine example of female supremacy.  Girl power all the way CAL. 

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« Last Edit: November 02, 2014, 07:27:05 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Andrea

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2014, 02:27:22 PM »
I think he received a letter, no doubt.

He has no reason to lie. Who really cares though? I don't give a shit to be honest, though I will buy the book when its released.

Whoever sent the letter is their problem, nobody elses. PH will deal with it as he sees fit. No big deal.

Move on, get over it. in the nicest possible way.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2014, 06:09:02 PM »
I think he received a letter, no doubt.

He has no reason to lie. Who really cares though? I don't give a shit to be honest, though I will buy the book when its released.

Whoever sent the letter is their problem, nobody elses. PH will deal with it as he sees fit. No big deal.

Move on, get over it. in the nicest possible way.

No one has seen it.  Not even extracts!

Really?

I agree I couldn't give a toss but I think it will be good mass debating fodder?  And yes I will buy the book too.  I have bought all the others so why not this one too?

I think it will to some extent be taken out of PH's hands as NGB has been implicated.  Come on Nelly lets see what you're made of:   You have on occasion bigged yourself up as the non-practising criminal barrister with 20 odd years under your belt.  Proof is in the pudding my friend.  Kills two birds with one stone: PH and your hatred of the Tory Press.  Now is your time to shine like no other.  Stand and deliver.  Remember your pupillage with Sir Stephen Sedley who rightfully overturned the Stefan Kiszko case.  Come on Nelly us girls need a hero:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBwS66EBUcY

I want to see a counter article on the front page of the Scottish Express Nelly?  ?>)()<

Yeah I agree "Move on, get over it.  In the nicest possible way". Blue have allowed it to dominate  8)><(
« Last Edit: November 02, 2014, 07:32:09 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2014, 06:38:37 PM »
You been on that old supply of 60's LSD you've got stashed away?  &%+((£
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2014, 08:56:29 PM »
You been on that old supply of 60's LSD you've got stashed away?  &%+((£

Had a can of Okocim at 7% abv x 500ml = 3.5 units = my max  8()-000(
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline ActualMat

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2014, 09:23:52 PM »
Jackie is repeating the same old stories that she has had take-aways/taxis sent to her home by members here.

When did this actually happen? Because it was long before my time here. But she still manages to try and throw me under the bus with it. Did she ever post proof that it happened?

Was this before or after Shona/Andrea had their families stalked and details posted about them online by Jackie?

Offline Myster

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2014, 09:26:26 PM »
Had a can of Okocim at 7% abv x 500ml = 3.5 units = my max  8()-000(

Ever had the feelin' you're bein' followed?  ?>)()<       You do guzzle some cr*p!  8(8-))
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2014, 10:09:40 PM »
Jackie is repeating the same old stories that she has had take-aways/taxis sent to her home by members here.

When did this actually happen? Because it was long before my time here. But she still manages to try and throw me under the bus with it. Did she ever post proof that it happened?

Was this before or after Shona/Andrea had their families stalked and details posted about them online by Jackie?

Hope not  8(8-))

I don't know Mat. I think it all happened before I joined too.  I've only read about it in a historical context.  Jackie and Gladys do seem to over play the victim card  &%+((£  Jackie with her taxis/takeaways and Gladys with name calling re his family.  Yet those who I believe had their families dragged into it eg Andrea and Shona and Tim's family being subjected to name calling seem to have forgotten and moved on.

When my brother and myself had spats my mum would say half a dozen of one and six of another and we would both get told off regardless  8)><(  I doubt it's any different here.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline goatboy

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2014, 05:58:25 PM »
To be honest I've distanced myself from this forum for a while as I think we have pretty much covered everything that needs to be said about the case, though since I have been away there have been interesting developments not in the case itself, but in people's attitudes-dyed in the wool Bamberettes becoming guilters seemingly overnight!- and this intriguing situation.

Why would someone make up the letter? It makes little sense really because the book isn't even out yet. If it was, yes the letter would be great publicity but it's not likely when/if the book sees the light of day people will even remember this letter. However, I also felt it made little sense for the person in question to go on forums announcing himself as an author but was not willing to reveal what previous books he had written. What author doesn't want to publicise and promote their work? And though I understand why an author wouldn't want to go into detail about a forthcoming unpublished book why come on these forums and not even discuss the case? It's also baffling that you wouldn't want assistance from the police in pursuing what is essentially a death threat but I suppose that's the prerogative of the person that it's happened to. If you look at the comments in the Express piece someone has pretty much accused him of making up the letter out of spite about being banned from the forum. Which in my opinion would be a bit of an extreme reaction over being banned from a quite frankly obsolete message board.

Debating the identity of the person who wrote the letter is interesting but I don't think it would be helpful to name names! Certainly it would be odd for someone to send the letter from their local area knowing the post mark would reveal its origin-maybe that was a double bluff?

Offline Andrea

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2014, 10:48:37 PM »
The minute PH joined the blue forum I questioned him on previous works of his, I didn't get an answer really. I, like you, wondered why he wouldn't name his previous titles.

But, saying that, who can blame him. Looks what's happened. I suppose we all have the right to anonymity. Author or not.

Offline goatboy

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2014, 07:27:07 AM »
Perhaps Andrea, I have seen what can happen when you reveal your identity (a lot of strange, stalkerish and vindictive people out there) so I would never do that myself.

Offline adam

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2014, 11:18:50 AM »
To be honest I've distanced myself from this forum for a while as I think we have pretty much covered everything that needs to be said about the case, though since I have been away there have been interesting developments not in the case itself, but in people's attitudes-dyed in the wool Bamberettes becoming guilters seemingly overnight!- and this intriguing situation.

Why would someone make up the letter? It makes little sense really because the book isn't even out yet. If it was, yes the letter would be great publicity but it's not likely when/if the book sees the light of day people will even remember this letter. However, I also felt it made little sense for the person in question to go on forums announcing himself as an author but was not willing to reveal what previous books he had written. What author doesn't want to publicise and promote their work? And though I understand why an author wouldn't want to go into detail about a forthcoming unpublished book why come on these forums and not even discuss the case? It's also baffling that you wouldn't want assistance from the police in pursuing what is essentially a death threat but I suppose that's the prerogative of the person that it's happened to. If you look at the comments in the Express piece someone has pretty much accused him of making up the letter out of spite about being banned from the forum. Which in my opinion would be a bit of an extreme reaction over being banned from a quite frankly obsolete message board.

Debating the identity of the person who wrote the letter is interesting but I don't think it would be helpful to name names! Certainly it would be odd for someone to send the letter from their local area knowing the post mark would reveal its origin-maybe that was a double bluff?

Yes, making up the letter is risky.

If proved the letter was made up, Harrison would be in trouble with the law and would lose all respect. The book would have to be aborted.

If the book has good new revelations, then it will get publicity in the mainstream media. It is still a famous case. Trying to create publicity for the book ten months before release is pointless.

Offline Andrea

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2014, 11:39:30 AM »
If it was publicity for the book PH was seeking it would have more sense to to do it a week or two before its release, not months earlier. Come Aug 2015 the wider public will have forgotten the front page story on the threat.

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: The threatening letter. Why ?
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2014, 03:46:52 PM »
I can't take anyone using the pen name Mason Doyle seriously ..... couldn't he have come up with something less onvious than an amalgamation of Perry Mason and Popeye Doyle! And I have no interest in reading a book confirming what I already know .... Bamber is guilty beyond any doubt